T206 Distribution? Where'd they go, and when?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I have noticed one puzzling exception. American Lithographic did not print Ty Cobb with the Factory #649 (Rochester, NY) T206 cards with Brown HINDU backs, or SWEET CAPORAL 150 overprint backs.

TED Z

Ted - While we're talking about distribution and factories I have a question about your quote above, specifically the "Factory #649 (Rochester, NY)."

The T206 cards issued out of that factory all have the following line:

FACTORY 649. 1st DIST. N.Y.

Each state had tax districts for collecting the federal taxes on tobacco. According to IRS information in New York state the 1st District was Brooklyn and Rochester was the 28th District.

So if Factory #649 was in Rochester wouldn't the cards have 28th DIST. in the factory line?

[tedzan]

It's my understanding that Factory #30 (2nd District) was the Brooklyn plant.

Factory #649 (1st District) was the modernized plant (circa 1908), and it's location was in Rochester, NY

Some of the tobacco products from Factory #649 are represented here by the cards inserted in their cigarette packs........















If you have another location for this Factory, I would like to hear about it.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

According to IRS tax records:

Factory 30 2nd Dist was in the New York, NY tax district.

Factory 649 1st Dist was in the Brooklyn, NY tax district.

Rochester was the 28th tax district.

[tedzan]

Dist. #28 in Rochester is a POLITICAL identification.

For the purposes of the newly established tobacco revenue taxation identification at the turn of the 20th Century,
the Tax districts were numbered differently.


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Dist. #28 in Rochester is a POLITICAL identification.

For the purposes of the newly established tobacco revenue taxation identification at the turn of the 20th Century,
the Tax districts were numbered differently.


TED Z

This information is from the Tobacco Trade Directory of the United States and Cuba. It outlines the tax districts set up by the I.R.S. for the collection of federal taxes on tobacco.

These are the New York districts per the directory and the men responsible for collecting those taxes in each district.

NEW YORK
1st Brooklyn: Edward B. Jordan
2nd New York: Charles Anderson
3rd New York: Ferdinand Eidman
14th Albany: John G. Ward
21st Syracuse: Peter E. Garlick
28th Rochester: Archie Sanders

Here's a bio for the Rochester collector:

Archie Dovell Sanders (1857-1941) — also known as Archie D. Sanders — of Stafford, Genesee County, N.Y. Born in Stafford, Genesee County, N.Y., June 17, 1857. Son of Elizabeth (Dovell) Sanders and John Sanders. Republican. Farmer; member of New York state assembly from Genesee County, 1896-97; delegate to Republican National Convention from New York, 1896, 1924, 1932, 1936 (alternate), 1940 (alternate); member of New York Republican State Committee, 1900-01; U.S. Collector of Internal Revenue for the 28th New York District, 1909; member of New York state senate 44th District, 1915-16; U.S. Representative from New York 39th District, 1917-33; chair of Genesee County Republican Party, 1929, 1939. Died, in Strong Memorial Hospital, Rochester, Monroe County, N.Y., July 15, 1941 (age 84 years, 28 days). Interment at Stafford Rural Cemetery, Stafford, N.Y.

[E93]

Tim,
I'm curious as to why you list Ty Cobb as 1910-1912. As far as I know, all the know ads for the brand are from early 1910. What would lead you to believe it continued to be produced until 1912. My best guess is that it was a very short-lived specialty brand of the ATC.
JimB

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by E93

Tim,
I'm curious as to why you list Ty Cobb as 1910-1912. As far as I know, all the know ads for the brand are from early 1910. What would lead you to believe it continued to be produced until 1912. My best guess is that it was a very short-lived specialty brand of the ATC.
JimB

Jim - I should have added a question mark after the date on the Cobb line. -- 1910-12?

Everything about the product and advertisements you and I are in agreement on. What opened up the possibility of a later date was the Ty Cobb tin auctioned by REA earlier this year. It had a full tax stamp with a date of August 15, 1912. This tin shows, at the least, that there was a brief redistribution of the Ty Cobb tobacco in 1912. It was done by a factory in Maryland, after the ATC trust break up. Because of this I left the possible dates of the Cobb cards distribution open.