HOF releases pre-Integration ballot today.

novakjr · #1 12-03-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

If you want a tough O'Day card, try the 1888 Sporting Times.

Also, D. White appears in the 1887 Buchner Gold Coin set, I know that they are generic player images but still, I believe, his earliest individual card, correct?

Finally, I have not been able to come up with a career contemporary card for Ruppert. Thus far, the earliest card that I can find is his '62 Topps w/Babe Ruth, kind of similar to the '59 Fleer Ted Williams w/Tom Yawkey, neither is named on the front.

So I take it you're with me, in not recognizing card 19 from the '48 Swell Ruth set as one of him, since it only depicts the actor.. The only other thing's I've really stumbled across was a small engraving of him from 1902(although that's from a book), and then this brewers' association portrait http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-FRAM...p2047675.l2557 looks like somebody might've gotten a steal.

bcbgcbrcb · #2 12-03-2012, 05:10 PM

Agreed, Dave, not a card of Ruppert.

Matthew H · #3 12-03-2012, 06:23 PM

+1 what John said about 9 poses creating an extra factor in scarcity.

I got to talk cards for a while with Jay today and he told me that there are two Deacon White poses that are the "easiest" to find.

If next one that surfaces is not one of those poses, it might be needed by a collector that already had several Whites, but not that particular pose.

barrysloate · #4 12-03-2012, 07:18 PM

The McGreachery card, which of course pictures White, is a strange card. Does anyone know why that name was used? Was there some kind of an inside joke going on at the printer's?

oldjudge · #5 12-03-2012, 07:43 PM

Barry-Joe and I always thought that it was a joke about White's age, that he was old enough to be a manager and, in fact, looked like one. The name and the team might have meant something at the time but it means nothing to me.

Matt-there is only one easier White pose, the one where he is reaching up over his head for a ball. Great to chat with you today!

prewarsports · #6 12-03-2012, 10:18 PM

Phil

There are LOTS of contemporary advertisement pieces for Ruppert's Beer. I cant recall if there is anything with his image, but you might try looking down that avenue instead of strictly for Sports Memorabilia items. I seem to recal an advertsising piece with his image on it from the 1920's at one point but that might be the Hockey Concussions from my younger years affecting my memory again!

Rhys

bcbgcbrcb · #7 12-03-2012, 11:50 PM

Could be, Rhys but I am only collecting cards and postcards these days, no more advertising premiums, etc.

Joe_G. · #8 12-04-2012, 01:23 AM

Great thread.

I believe O'Day will be most like Ned Hanlon who was also a relatively new HOF inductee (1996). Both have three poses with most of them being of the fairly common 1887 variety. They were also both elected for their accomplishments outside of being a player (Hanlon as Manager, O'Day as umpire). In the case of Hanlon, his prices were quite elevated for awhile but have dropped down to mid-level HOFer. I expect the same for O'Day.

As for Deacon White, I expect him to be the most expensive HOFer from here on out. While his total population might be about the same as McPhee & Robinson, the most advanced collectors who enjoy growing their collection pose-by-pose will bid aggressively on a White pose they need. These pose collectors completed their McPhee & Robinson collections at 5 poses apiece while Deacon White will keep them going longer to fill the 8 available poses (not counting McCreachery) which means fewer copies for the rest of us. Heck, in the past decade, I've only seen 5 of Deacon's 9 N172 poses hit the market and they were often buried in large lots. I suspect each and every pose that surfaces will be highly contested. For those who place some value on the population reports, Robinson & McPhee were the rarest with only 12 & 18 graded examples respectively. Deacon White currently sits at 7. (citing SGC pop report). I do hope that Deacon White cards come out of the wood work as I'm eager to add to my run and will try to hang with the big boys.

As for Deacon White's true rookie card, I'll propose his 1886 Tomlinson cabinets for your consideration. I've documented 5 Tomlinsons in total, 4 of the batting pose variety and a single portrait.

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