HOF releases pre-Integration ballot today.

[prewarsports]

Deacon White Old Judges are in the "If you have to ask you cant afford it" levels of exotic Sports Cars and expensive Wines. Not saying anything about anyone personally in any way whatsoever, but lets just say the prices for his Old Judge cards were VERY, VERY high before he got inducted into the Hall of Fame. Now they will far exceed every other Hall of Famer in the set save wierd Players League variations and the Anson in uniform. He will leave Bid McPhee and Delahanty and other like them in his dust!

I would have gone Dahlen, Mullane, White, and Reach all of which are deserving and should be in the Hall. Ruppert was a puppet and his business managers and secretaries ran the Yankees. Al Reach was FAR more deserving and someday he will be in the Hall of Fame. Cy Rigler is a more deserving Umpire than O'Day.

[barrysloate]

With Deacon White's N172 being so scarce, very few collectors will now be able to complete a Hall of Famer run. And regarding O'Day, I agree with Jay: there will be a big spike as everyone tries to get an O'Day card at the same time, but for those who can wait it will eventually sell for about the same as a more common OJ HOFer.

[paul]

Barry, I'll be on the look out for a Scrapps Deacon White for my HOF run, so hopefully the scarcity of his Old Judge card won't slow me down. How tough is his OJ really? Is it actually tougher than McPhee?

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

Deacon White Old Judges are in the "If you have to ask you cant afford it" levels of exotic Sports Cars and expensive Wines. Not saying anything about anyone personally in any way whatsoever, but lets just say the prices for his Old Judge cards were VERY, VERY high before he got inducted into the Hall of Fame. Now they will far exceed every other Hall of Famer in the set save wierd Players League variations and the Anson in uniform. He will leave Bid McPhee and Delahanty and other like them in his dust!

I would have gone Dahlen, Mullane, White, and Reach all of which are deserving and should be in the Hall. Ruppert was a puppet and his business managers and secretaries ran the Yankees. Al Reach was FAR more deserving and someday he will be in the Hall of Fame. Cy Rigler is a more deserving Umpire than O'Day.

Sounds like White will easily be the toughest HOFer in the set then - I thought it was a couple of particular poses of his that were super scarce, like the portrait card with the incorrect name - did not realize he was that difficult regardless of pose.

[oldjudge]

I think White will be one of the tougher HOFers, but really no tougher than McPhee or Delahanty. High prices make cards come out and make them seem more common than they really are. McPhee was seen much less frequently before he got into the HOF, when he was a $300 card. When he became a $3000+ card he started showing up much more.

[oldjudge]

Barry-it will be tough for HOF collectors to get a pose run of Deacon White with the McCreachery mislabel being a unique card. I guess that just became the most difficult HOF pose. Here is a link to the photographer's proof for that card:

http://www.oldjudge.com/auction/highlights/4/#a

[bcbgcbrcb]

If you want a tough O'Day card, try the 1888 Sporting Times.

Also, D. White appears in the 1887 Buchner Gold Coin set, I know that they are generic player images but still, I believe, his earliest individual card, correct?

Finally, I have not been able to come up with a career contemporary card for Ruppert. Thus far, the earliest card that I can find is his '62 Topps w/Babe Ruth, kind of similar to the '59 Fleer Ted Williams w/Tom Yawkey, neither is named on the front.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

If you want a tough O'Day card, try the 1888 Sporting Times.

Also, D. White appears in the 1887 Buchner Gold Coin set, I know that they are generic player images but still, I believe, his earliest individual card, correct?

Finally, I have not been able to come up with a career contemporary card for Ruppert. Thus far, the earliest card that I can find is his '62 Topps w/Babe Ruth, kind of similar to the '59 Fleer Ted Williams w/Tom Yawkey, neither is named on the front.

So I take it you're with me, in not recognizing card 19 from the '48 Swell Ruth set as one of him, since it only depicts the actor.. The only other thing's I've really stumbled across was a small engraving of him from 1902(although that's from a book), and then this brewers' association portrait http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-FRAM...p2047675.l2557 looks like somebody might've gotten a steal.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Agreed, Dave, not a card of Ruppert.

[Matthew H]

+1 what John said about 9 poses creating an extra factor in scarcity.

I got to talk cards for a while with Jay today and he told me that there are two Deacon White poses that are the "easiest" to find.

If next one that surfaces is not one of those poses, it might be needed by a collector that already had several Whites, but not that particular pose.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

D. White appears in the 1887 Buchner Gold Coin set,

Here's what it looks like, though now residing in an SGC-40 slab

[bcbgcbrcb]

You're right, Joe, forgot about D. White's 1886 Tomlinson.

[z28jd]

Well, if you go by the OJ book, Deacon White falls behind Bid McPhee in toughness(very scarce) and is in the same category as Rusie and Robinson(scarce). I think the problem is those Detroit collectors are hoarders, going for all the poses. So plenty of people have multiples of a tough card to find. Also there are people going for pose collections, so advanced collectors could/do have nine of his cards off the market right now