Piedmont 150 plate scratch(es) progress

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by steve B

Only partly.

It will be possible to get fairly close to a more provable sheet size.

Cool - hadn't thought of that.

Originally Posted by steve B

Studying the backs in relation to the fronts should show for instance that there were 4 of each player stacked vertically (The number I'm currently leaning towards)

Steve B

Are you also thinking that some cards are 'top sheet only' cards and others are 'bottom only'? (for instance, the ones showing remnants of the factory number at the bottom of the sheet?)

Great little project!

[Pat R]

Steve,

Not sure if this is what your looking for but this Piedmont has a similar line.
Also whats your opinion on the lines in this Cycle card?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Steve,

Not sure if this is what your looking for but this Piedmont has a similar line.
Also whats your opinion on the lines in this Cycle card?

Thanks! Yes, that piedmont is exactly the sort of line I'm looking for.
Who's on the front? If you have a front scan that would be cool.
That particular one is a new one.

I think the red lines on the Cycle are from a notebook or ledger it may have been glued into at some point.
It looks like there's a little bit of a line above the top of the frame at the upper right. Hard to tell what it's from, but it's interesting.

Steve B

[Leon]

Originally Posted by steve B

I think the red lines on the Cycle are from a notebook or ledger it may have been glued into at some point.
It looks like there's a little bit of a line above the top of the frame at the upper right. Hard to tell what it's from, but it's interesting.

Steve B

Seen those types many times and I agree....

[Pat R]

Steve,

Front and back scans of the piedmont. I didn't even notice the top line on the Cycle until
you pointed it out, the two bottom lines show up clearly with the naked eye
but I had to darken the scan or they didn't show up at all. They are actually
quite different than the scans, they are a sharp blueish line with a pink cast off. The top line comes down the right side to bottom of the top semi circle in the border and there is another line inside that one that comes down the top of the semi circle to the bottom.

[Jantz]

Hi Steve

As you know, I do some research on this subject (T206 sheets). If I locate any T206s with these lines, I'll post them up.

One card that comes to mind is the Randall "Milwaukef" card. They all seem to a small line/plate scratch one the back of the card. Only a fraction compared to the ones you have posted in this thread. Piedmont 350 f25 incase you were wondering.

If there is any way I can help, let me know.


Jantz

[teetwoohsix]

Great thread Steve !!

I thought I had one with one of these lines, but I'm not finding it in my scans. I'll check the cards in the next few days to see if I do, my scans suck.
Great observation though, I hope this goes somewhere- any pieces to the puzzle help

Sincerely, Clayton

[steve B]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Great thread Steve !!

I thought I had one with one of these lines, but I'm not finding it in my scans. I'll check the cards in the next few days to see if I do, my scans suck.
Great observation though, I hope this goes somewhere- any pieces to the puzzle help

Sincerely, Clayton

Anything helps. The scans I have so far are almost entirely from Ebay. So they're the whole range Nice big ones, blurry, tiny....

I'm still working out a way to try to arrange them. I'll probably make a bunch of back images cut them out and draw in the lines to make it like a big puzzle. Pretty old fashioned, but that's the way the stamp guys did it back in the 30's when they couldn't legally show a picture of a stamp or even a complete drawing. Amazing work, usually reconstructing entire press sheets of 2-400 stamps from tiny differences and pairs strips and blocks.

Steve B

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Hi Steve

As you know, I do some research on this subject (T206 sheets). If I locate any T206s with these lines, I'll post them up.

One card that comes to mind is the Randall "Milwaukef" card. They all seem to a small line/plate scratch one the back of the card. Only a fraction compared to the ones you have posted in this thread. Piedmont 350 f25 incase you were wondering.

If there is any way I can help, let me know.


Jantz

Thanks, I'll make a note of that for the bigger project (Front differences over all backs, probably won't make any real headway on that one)

The Assortment of marks on the P150 back is something I think is possible. I'm only a few months in and there's already some progress. Plus it's a somewhat limited group of cards that are common. There are some interesting marks on other backs, but they're more difficult.

Steve B

[philliesfan]

I hope this is a new one to have added to your list. I have this Sullivan with what someone told me was a printers cut mark and a plate scratch. Is this the same card that was submitted by z28jd on page 3 of this thread?
Robert

[steve B]

While not new, that's a far better scan of Sullivan than I've found. I have a poor scan of one graded Auth with the same scratch but not showing the crop mark, which was probably trimmed off on that one.

Better scans help, since I'm also looking at the fronts. Each front has a few minor differences that match a particular back. Like having the little registration marks or not.

It's a very long term project on most cards, but a few of the tough ones have specifically identifiable fronts that always match particular back flaws.

Steve B

[philliesfan]

I found three more.

O'Leary of Detroit
Jacklitsch of Philadelphia
Crawford of Detroit

I will post scans later tonight..........I need to go shovel a half foot or more of snow now.

Robert

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

I hope this is a new one to have added to your list. I have this Sullivan with what someone told me was a printers cut mark and a plate scratch. Is this the same card that was submitted by z28jd on page 3 of this thread?
Robert

It is the same one I posted(not the exact same card), looked back and saw I never put the name, but it is Sullivan with the same marks

[Mountaineer1999]

Have any of these ever been married to a neighboring card or better yet, multiple cards either vertical or horizontal?

[T205 GB]

I believe I have one of these. It's listed on eBay right now. Ends in less than 12 hrs. Would be cool if it actually is for the winner

[t206blogcom]

I was at a show yesterday and saw a F. Smith with a scatch on the back. Didn't pick it up, so no scan.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

I was at a show yesterday and saw a F. Smith with a scatch on the back. Didn't pick it up, so no scan.

Jason, Do you remember if it was one of these two scratches?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Are you also thinking that some cards are 'top sheet only' cards and others are 'bottom only'? (for instance, the ones showing remnants of the factory number at the bottom of the sheet?)

Great little project!

That's what I'm thinking.

Although I'd expect to see more with two different names if that was the case. And that's why I'm not entirely set on 4 being the number of instances of the same player.

But from looking at the rare cards, 4 looks pretty solid. I'm sure there are 3-4 Magies that can be told apart even from scans that aren't great. And that each diferent Magie front matches to a specific back.

Steve B