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Well, I don't think there's any other way to go, if he testifies to altering it. Not that many didn't already believe this anyways; but by him not disclosing this earlier, he left a bit of doubt.
I'd love to hear the details, like who else was on the sheet, how many were on the sheet, was it a strip or a sheet, etc. And, I know that has nothing to do with the fraud. Hopefully whoever was a victim of his fraud gets compensated somehow; restitution. Sincerely, Clayton Last edited by teetwoohsix; 11-30-2012 at 11:33 PM. |
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I don't doubt that he's very knowledgeable about cards. I always assumed that.
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Interesting dilemma, isn't it, to find out that someone who made a positive contribution followed it up with something morally reprehensible? I guess there are people who credit Mastro with guidance and even inspiration. And plenty of others respected him as one of the central figures in card collecting.
Well, all right, no need to reinterpret good deeds. And yet, the damage he inflicted on the hobby is huge. Desecrating the t206 Wagner is inexcusable. And on top of that, PSA takes serious hit. The only question is whether it is their integrity or competence which is lacking. |
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My father used to tell me where their is money to be made watch out.
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Guys, Bill Mastro's crimes in this hobby did not start and end with the trimming of the Wagner card. His fraud was ongoing, systematic and all-encompassing. The great majority of people who bid in a Mastro auction were victims of his fraud.
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Seriously? "Who", after all the discussions we've had, after the book that was written, etc, etc, could possibly have had a bit of doubt? Name this person, and then tell me how this doubt was possible.
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LOL! Yes indeed; the last remaining holdout in the hobby.
Re-reading the O'Keeffe article about Hall below, at one point Hall allegedly said, "We never considered that it had been altered". There are several ways one can interpret that comment. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ite...not-in-private |
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While I agree with you Scott, there were more than a few people who believed this was nothing more than an unsubstantiated rumor. How many people on this board, when the subject came up, said there was no way you could prove it was trimmed? Now it can be confirmed.
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You know what's going to happen as long as there's big money at stake--someone's going to do whatever it takes to get at it!!!
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After reading the book "The Card" a couple of times, I still had reservations. The grainy black and white photo of the card in it's "un-trimmed" state was convincing, but I couldn't wrap my brain around the logic of cutting up the only known sheet (with a Wagner and a Plank!!)of T206's into singular cards, thinking it would make him more money. And, that was the given scenario in the book, that it was cut from a sheet. I felt someone with as much knowledge about cards would've instantly known the signifigance of this "sheet", and how valuable it would've been in it's entirety. I would think far more valueable than broken down into single cards. Now, if it wasn't cut from a sheet, or strip, I could see why he trimmed it;for financial gain. But, to cut up a sheet? Don't get that. *Not saying trimming it is right, I would've left it alone* So, I had doubts. And, I have no problem admiting it. Based on it being cut from a sheet. Sincerely, Clayton |
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Mastro purchased it already cut from the sheet and trimmed it further, as i understand it.
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It's hard to detect sarcasm on the Internet, but its in an A holder
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Great read on the Plank, Thanks for the article.
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So, you have the person(s) who trimmed the card,,,whether from a strip, sheet, or just from a card with large enough borders- and you have a TPG who gave it the high grade that it had. Who is more at fault here for deception & fraud? The trimmer, the grader, or both?
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And how can PSA continue to deny the Wagner's history when they have also graded the other significant card on the strip? |
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