A-Rod

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by steve B

If he gets close at anywhere near 20 a year he'll stick around for 700.

I don't think he's the best HR hitter of his era at all. Maybe not even top 5 definetly not top 3.

I'd put the top3 as
Bonds -Yeah, I know, PEDs, but from looking at his record and assuming a PED start fairly late I think he'd have got to 700 anyway, and probably passed Aaron too. If he'd been a bit nicer guy that also would have helped.

Griffey Jr.- 630 and supposedly clean. I'll go with that, but the quick breakdown is sort of typical for guys coming off the juice.

Thome- 600+ and not a hint of PEDs.

I know the Yankee fans will hate me saying so, but I haven't liked A-Rod for years. He seems to me to be a guy who brings losing with him wherever he goes. Before him 5 WS wins in 8 years. after him- 1WS win in 9 years. Adding in losing trips to the WS makes it even worse. 6 trips in 8 years without and 1 in 9 with. Gaudy numbers, but for some reason he makes his team worse.

Steve B

Steve, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with Griffey and Thome. Thome definitely not top 5, maybe not even top 10 IMO. Gotta look past the HR totals my friend.

Bonds: .298/.444/.607/1.051 HR:762 RBI:1996 SB:514 Games: 2986 PA: 12606 AB: 9847 R: 2227 H: 2935 BB: 2558 SO: 1539

Griffey: .284/.370/.538/.907 HR: 630 RBI: 1836 SB: 184. Games: 2671 PA: 11304 AB: 9801 R: 1662 H:2781 BB: 1312 SO: 1779

A-Rod: Games: .300/.384/.560/.945 HR: 647 RBI: 1950 SB: 318 Games: 2524 PA: 11163 AB: 9662 R: 1898 H: 2901 BB: 1217 SO: 2032

Thome: .276/.402/.554/.956 HR: 612 RBI: 1699 SB:19 Games: 2543 PA:10313 AB: 8422 R: 1583 H: 2328 BB:1747 SO:2548

Bonds owns, almost 1k more hits than strikeouts. Thome has more K's than hits. A-Rod has the best numbers almost on a per-game basis.

[Peter_Spaeth]

arod has three huge negatives, his post season play for the most part was subpar to awful, his roid use, and his personality

give me jeter any day

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

arod has three huge negatives, his post season play for the most part was subpar to awful, his roid use, and his personality

give me jeter any day

I do somewhat agree. His postseason has been atrocious, only with the Yanks, he was fine with Seattle. And his '09 practically won them the whole darn thing lol.

True on roid use, I don't necessarily care he used it, what saddened me was he was already a HOF player and one of the best ever before he used in '07, I was saddened by the 'why' factor, because he was supposed to be baseball's savior to overshadow Bonds.

And his attitude is bad, but he has been good these past few years, and (from a public perspective, I don't know what behind the scenes looked like) A-Rod took his benching like a class act in the playoffs and really won me over.

I always will and have been a huge A-Rod fan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't recall the details now but his obnoxious demands when he was negotiating with the mets and yankees and his dissing of jeter said all you need to know about him. I admit he has faked some class of late but I don't think it is genuine, the way Jeter's is.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Steve, while I respect your opinion, I disagree with Griffey and Thome. Thome definitely not top 5, maybe not even top 10 IMO. Gotta look past the HR totals my friend.

Bonds: .298/.444/.607/1.051 HR:762 RBI:1996 SB:514 Games: 2986 PA: 12606 AB: 9847 R: 2227 H: 2935 BB: 2558 SO: 1539

Griffey: .284/.370/.538/.907 HR: 630 RBI: 1836 SB: 184. Games: 2671 PA: 11304 AB: 9801 R: 1662 H:2781 BB: 1312 SO: 1779

A-Rod: Games: .300/.384/.560/.945 HR: 647 RBI: 1950 SB: 318 Games: 2524 PA: 11163 AB: 9662 R: 1898 H: 2901 BB: 1217 SO: 2032

Thome: .276/.402/.554/.956 HR: 612 RBI: 1699 SB:19 Games: 2543 PA:10313 AB: 8422 R: 1583 H: 2328 BB:1747 SO:2548

Bonds owns, almost 1k more hits than strikeouts. Thome has more K's than hits. A-Rod has the best numbers almost on a per-game basis.

The question I was answering was the best home run hitter of his era. Obviously if the question is who's the better overall hitter or overall better player it's very different.
But for simple homeruns in the era it lays out like this. (from here) http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...n_career.shtml


1.Mark McGwire 10.61
3.Barry Bonds 12.92
4.Ryan Howard 13.51
5.Jim Thome 13.76
8.Sammy Sosa 14.47
9.Albert Pujols 14.57
10.Adam Dunn 14.60
12.Manny Ramirez 14.85
13.Alex Rodriguez 14.93
14.Juan Gonzalez 15.11
15.Dave Kingman 15.11
16.Russell Branyan 15.12
20.Jose Canseco 15.27

13th all time, not bad, but even removing the old guys as I've done he's still 9th. getting rid of Howard, Pujols and Dunn as being too recent only gets him to 6th.
Thome's a pretty solid 5th all time. He's also got about 500 more walks than A-rod, but that's a weak stat since it depends on overall lineup. But it does indicate maybe a similar willingness to pitch him carefully despite his strikeouts. (Overall lineup will affect HR total too, A player on a strong team will get more plate appearances, but that's getting too complicated)


Griffey - What a surprise! Only 24th. Ok, I can see the point about him

Of course Aaron was only 38th and Mays 40th. And I'd probably take either one of them over any of the guys we're discussing.

I don't really know what to make of McGwire. Kind of a very scattered career from injuries, a couple amazing years while juiced then gone. I think he'd be out of the top spot without the juice, but how far out I haven't considered yet.

And yes, I stopped at Canseco and left one old guy in. I just couldn't leave Kingman off. Lousy hitter for anything but power. But I don't recall any short homers from him.

Steve B

[barrysloate]

Yankees just announced that A-Rod needs major hip surgery and will not be able to play until at least June. So it appears his body is breaking down as his skills are waning. He may not have a whole lot left in the tank.

[drc]

Don't fret. My 80 year old aunt had hip surgery and she gets to and from the car just fine.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by drc

Don't fret. My 80 year old aunt had hip surgery and she gets to and from the car just fine.

Can she hit a curveball?

[jb217676]

Who cares about A-Rod, it's the Blue Jays year! There's a new beast in the East!