T215 Red Cross actually a T206?

[RCMcKenzie]

The t206resource site has t215-1 listed in their scarcity rankings list, un-numbered, between 8 lenox-black and 9 bl 350. They list t213-1 between 10 blank-back and 11 Carolina Brights. I sort of like this idea of including them with t206 cards without changing the terminology. I know my collection of T213-1 would be worth alot more money if everyone just considered them a difficult t206 back.

Lipset has some interesting points on the T213-1 in his encyclopedia. The most interesting to me is where he states that it is doubtful that the set is complete at 68.

[atx840]

Scott, I am also wondering about the plates.

The pirate back T215s are puzzling as that brand was used on all sorts of card types..I have also found pirate backed cards depicting Chinese buildings with Chinese characters printed over the pirate backs. Where these printed in the US or in China?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by atx840

Scott, I am also wondering about the plates.

The pirate back T215s are puzzling as that brand was used on all sorts of card types..I have also found pirate backed cards depicting Chinese buildings with Chinese characters printed over the pirate backs. Where these printed in the US or in China?

Chris - There is a lot of information in the Legendary write up on the near complete set that sold. LINK Regarding the printing plates or stones I don't know anything about them.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by atx840

Scott, I am also wondering about the plates.

The pirate back T215s are puzzling as that brand was used on all sorts of card types..I have also found pirate backed cards depicting Chinese buildings with Chinese characters printed over the pirate backs. Where these printed in the US or in China?

Thanks Chris, for reiterating my request - I've tried to be friendly with the gods, but to no avail.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

The pirate back T215s are puzzling as that brand was used on all sorts of card types..I have also found pirate backed cards depicting Chinese buildings with Chinese characters printed over the pirate backs. Where these printed in the US or in China?

Chris

Here is a previous thread on the T215 "Pirate" Tobacco cards......

Titled: "Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ate+set&page=5

Check it out


TED Z

[RCMcKenzie]

Ted Z,

I realize that it is established that there are 68 "known" examples of Coupon 1. Is there new evidence that there must only be 68 to the set? In Lemke's 2006 SCD he says of T213 ..."It is quite possible the checklists here are incomplete and additions will surface in the future." Thanks for your research on the T213 and T215 sets.

Robert

[tedzan]

I think Bob Lemke was referring strictly to the T213-2 and T213-3 sets.

TED Z

[atx840]

Thanks for the info.

I just received a call from Mile High that I won this card, forgot about it as I hadn't received a winning note or an invoice.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by atx840

Thanks for the info.

I just received a call from Mile High that I won this card, forgot about it as I hadn't received a winning note or an invoice.

Very nice for that grade.

[Abravefan11]

So for those that are interested in the original subject, not that I mind the tangents at all, I have a question regarding the opinion I gave before:

If the T215-1 were found to be a 1912 issue, and not a 1910-1912 issue, wouldn't this cast serious doubt on them being considered a T206 given the timeline of the T206 set and the breakup of the ATC trust?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Chris

Here is a previous thread on the T215 "Pirate" Tobacco cards......

Titled: "Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ate+set&page=5

Check it out


TED Z

Cool thread, Ted. So why wasn't there a Pirate Cobb?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Cool thread, Ted. So why wasn't there a Pirate Cobb?

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A Pirate Cobb.......^.......ready to do battle

Good question, I don't think my 57-post thread that Chris just bumped up solves this mystery. Cobb (bat off shoulder) was in the RED CROSS (T215-1) set.

TED Z

[Runscott]

Ted, excuse me for kind of skimming that thread (I was only searching for 'Cobb', as it makes no sense to me that any 1910 set would not include him), but what's the quick answer as to why these Pirate backs are not included in the debate along with Coupon and Red Cross Type 1's?

(I know you don't mind repeating yourself, or I would start searching again).

[tedzan]

You are "gunning" for Net54 "chaos"

We are having enough consternation here trying to include the 1910 COUPON cards into the "T206 family"......much less the RED CROSS cards.
And, now you are asking to add the "PIRATE" cards into this mix ! ?

I say, this set cannot be part of the T206 family if it doesn't have a Cobb

So Scott, what do you say to that ?


Perhaps, the troops who were in the South Pacific (where the Pirate cigarettes were shipped to) were no fans of Mr Cobb ? ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Lipset has some interesting points on the T213-1 in his encyclopedia. The most interesting to me is where he states that it is doubtful that the set is complete at 68.

Lipset's encyclopedia was published in the mid-1980's; and, the 1910 COUPON set was not fully understood back then in the hobby. Since then it is quite well established
that there are 48 - Major Leaguers, and 20 - Southern Association subjects in this set.

When Bill Heitman published his famous book on "The Monster" in 1980, he did not mention the existense of the Red HINDU cards in the T206 set. That is just how things
were in the hobby back in the early 1980's.


TED Z