New T205 Website with Master Checklist

Ronnie73 · #1 11-19-2012, 10:46 PM

I'm going to check all my Broadleaf scans tonight but I do have a theory. Every Drum back has a Broadleaf couterpart. I would think that those 20 broadleaf cards would have the same color back, either black or olive green. Maybe those 20 could have both black and olive green backs or just one color or the other but that 20 Drum printing has to follow a pattern with the Broadleafs somehow. SGC shows a Jack Knight and Fred Payne with Broadeaf backs but the Master Checklist is still blank because of the color question.

jimivintage · #2 11-19-2012, 10:54 PM

Green broadleaf Moran No Stray Line on eBay right now.

#3 11-20-2012, 01:05 AM

Ron I think drum was run in less quantity than BL was. If they ran equals then drums and BL would be the same prices

Ronnie73 · #4 11-20-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pup6913

Ron I think drum was run in less quantity than BL was. If they ran equals then drums and BL would be the same prices

I agree with that but what I was saying is the 20 different cards that have Drum backs also have a Broadleaf card. So say there are 10 or 20 different cards to a sheet, they used the same front plate but changed the back for the Broadleaf run and possibly that same 20 cards have the olive green back and the non Drum Broadleafs are maybe all black backs. I'm just thinking they may have used the same front plate but then they may not have. Just looking for a printing pattern to determine Broadleaf back colors so you can say if a Drum back exists, then the broadleaf back color is olive green and if there is no Drum card, then the Broadleaf has a black back.

steve B · #5 11-20-2012, 09:10 AM

Here's a couple more to add.

Steve B

#6 11-20-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I agree with that but what I was saying is the 20 different cards that have Drum backs also have a Broadleaf card. So say there are 10 or 20 different cards to a sheet, they used the same front plate but changed the back for the Broadleaf run and possibly that same 20 cards have the olive green back and the non Drum Broadleafs are maybe all black backs. I'm just thinking they may have used the same front plate but then they may not have. Just looking for a printing pattern to determine Broadleaf back colors so you can say if a Drum back exists, then the broadleaf back color is olive green and if there is no Drum card, then the Broadleaf has a black back.

I see what you are saying. Downey is an Olive back and has a Drum counterpart and Hoblitzell is a Black BL and has a Drum back as well. There is no rhyme or reason with the BL colors and a Drum connection. I think it has to do with distribution areas myself. Ted Z has helped me a bit in this area. Same goes for Hindus. This is research that I am not complete with yet to make a final theory but when I do I hope to share it with the board.

Still haven't heard back as to why the Walsh error is on the checklist as an actual variation. Just curious

Ronnie73 · #7 11-20-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pup6913

Still haven't heard back as to why the Walsh error is on the checklist as an actual variation. Just curious

I added it for three reasons. First, the description of the card states that there was no staining and that the pink was actually printed. If it was missing a color, I wouldn't have added it. Second, I thought maybe listing it would discover others with the pink diamond. Third, If a yellow elephant is accepted, then a pink diamond should be too. I haven't had any other feedback on the pink variation and can be removed at any time. What does everyone else think?

#8 11-20-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie73

I added it for three reasons. First, the description of the card states that there was no staining and that the pink was actually printed. If it was missing a color, I wouldn't have added it. Second, I thought maybe listing it would discover others with the pink diamond. Third, If a yellow elephant is accepted, then a pink diamond should be too. I haven't had any other feedback on the pink variation and can be removed at any time. What does everyone else think?

All the white card stock is pink meaning it is a saturated stain or ink pass. A simple error. The Collins yellow elephant was discovered by Turner and has at least 4 different examples to show, and the yellow is only over the elephants white and none of the other white of the card. Walsh is a simple print anomaly with extra ink no different then the Neal Ball I have missing the red ink. Also not another single card has ever surfaced with pink ink in the white area to even remotely solidify that the card was part of a sheet run.

#9 11-20-2012, 03:52 PM

graham sig var backs

Top Left is BL
Top Right is SC
Bottom Left is Cycle
Bottom Right is AB

#10 11-20-2012, 03:58 PM

BL back colors

Blacks are the top 4 group and Olive is the bottom 4 group

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