Marijuana laws- O/T

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

From *MY* experience, the whole "gateway drug" notion is a sham...something that came with the whole "Reefer Madness" culture, which is based on misinformation about pot.

(Full disclosure, I do not smoke pot and haven't for nearly 10 years)

I haven't smoked in nearly 10 myself. I can agree with you about the origins of the "gateway" notion. However, I believe it's also a notion that has become somewhat credible nowadays. It lies simply in the potential upsale depending on the dealer.. Suck 'em in with weed, and then turn 'em on to something more profitable. I will concede that this is definitely NOT the case with all dealers though. Upon legalization, I believe that this upsale factor goes away..

[teetwoohsix]

I posted this link earlier in this thread, and I beg all of you people who are against legalizing it to go to this site and educate yourselves to the failed war on drugs: http://www.leap.cc/

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

Watch the 20 minute video of Jack Cole, giving you the STATISTICS. It's a real eye opener, and it gives you the bigger picture.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

I posted this link earlier in this thread, and I beg all of you people who are against legalizing it to go to this site and educate yourselves to the failed war on drugs: http://www.leap.cc/

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

Watch the 20 minute video of Jack Cole, giving you the STATISTICS. It's a real eye opener, and it gives you the bigger picture.

Sincerely, Clayton

Thanks for posting that link Clayton. For those that are opposed I hope they will watch it and then let us know if they are still opposed. I would be extremely interested. It's a REAL eye opener when 80,000 judges, prosecutors, law enforcement officers and supporters are behind the end of the illegality. It also gives an idea why it really is still illegal, as Joe above said....there is so much money being made off of keeping it illegal that business and profiteers are fighting tooth and nail.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Leon

Thanks for posting that link Clayton. For those that are opposed I hope they will watch it and then let us know if they are still opposed. I would be extremely interested. It's a REAL eye opener when 80,000 judges, prosecutors, law enforcement officers and supporters are behind the end of the illegality. It also gives an idea why it really is still illegal, as Joe above said....there is so much money being made off of keeping it illegal that business and profiteers are fighting tooth and nail.

I just watched two minutes of a couple of videos including one by Cole. From what I got, these are about legalizing along ALL drugs not just pot. Is that the topic of this thread and does everyone who supports legal pot also support legal coke, heroin and crack?

[packs]

Alcohol killed 2.5 million people last year. Every year tobacco causes 20 percent of all US deaths. I don't see how you can say cigarettes or alcohol aren't any worse than any singular drug. If an adult can be given the choice to drink or smoke or not to drink or smoke, why can't they also be given the choice to do drugs or not do drugs? You're already making that choice every day as it is.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by glchen

I just watched two minutes of a couple of videos including one by Cole. From what I got, these are about legalizing along ALL drugs not just pot. Is that the topic of this thread and does everyone who supports legal pot also support legal coke, heroin and crack?

Hi Gary-

No, the topic at hand is just a discussion about legalizing marijuana. But, if you listen to the whole Cole video, you will clearly see why the war on drugs has failed (big time) and the statistics alone will shock you. Again, please watch the whole clip when you can. He lays it out way better than I can.

I don't recommend anyone use drugs or alchohol or tobacco- but I 100% feel we, as Americans, should have the freedom to choose what we do with our bodies and minds (they are ours, aren't they? ). As long as the individual isn't hurting someone else in any way, what is the problem? Who am I to say because I don't like something that no one else should have the right to do it? I guess that's my point. There are a lot of things I don't personally like or agree with, but I would never want that alone to remove someone else's right to do it if that's what they wanted to do. I hope that made sense

Liberty and freedom- what does that mean?

The Cole video (the whole thing ) is, well, shocking. I've yet to see any one but you comment on it- any one else watch it?

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Hi Gary-

No, the topic at hand is just a discussion about legalizing marijuana. But, if you listen to the whole Cole video, you will clearly see why the war on drugs has failed (big time) and the statistics alone will shock you. Again, please watch the whole clip when you can. He lays it out way better than I can.

I don't recommend anyone use drugs or alchohol or tobacco- but I 100% feel we, as Americans, should have the freedom to choose what we do with our bodies and minds (they are ours, aren't they? ). As long as the individual isn't hurting someone else in any way, what is the problem? Who am I to say because I don't like something that no one else should have the right to do it? I guess that's my point. There are a lot of things I don't personally like or agree with, but I would never want that alone to remove someone else's right to do it if that's what they wanted to do. I hope that made sense

Liberty and freedom- what does that mean?

The Cole video (the whole thing ) is, well, shocking. I've yet to see any one but you comment on it- any one else watch it?

Sincerely, Clayton

I watched most of the clip and it is VERY eye opening. I am only a little surprised that there are so many on this board that are against the legalization of it. There is a lot of ignorance and denial still in society. Hopefully people will educate themselves more and become more tolerant of others rights. I agree with you 100% Clayton.

And Wazoo- you are a very smart young man. NO way should marijuana be used by adolescents. No where have I ever heard that be an acceptable practice. Just like alcohol or tobacco shouldn't be either...( I can't stand tobacco but understand it's somewhat of a relaxer for smokers, but yuck )....

One last thing too- I appreciate the discussion that has been in this thread and the fact no one has completely flipped out. Anyone on the board knows that these discussions are very rare and will remain that way, especially on the front page.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Leon

I watched most of the clip and it is VERY eye opening. I am only a little surprised that there are so many on this board that are against the legalization of it. There is a lot of ignorance and denial still in society. Hopefully people will educate themselves more and become more tolerant of others rights. I agree with you 100% Clayton.

And Wazoo- you are a very smart young man. NO way should marijuana be used by adolescents. No where have I ever heard that be an acceptable practice. Just like alcohol or tobacco shouldn't be either...( I can't stand tobacco but understand it's somewhat of a relaxer for smokers, but yuck )....

One last thing too- I appreciate the discussion that has been in this thread and the fact no one has completely flipped out. Anyone on the board knows that these discussions are very rare and will remain that way, especially on the front page.

no one is ignorant and you don't have a right to smoke dope.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Leon

I watched most of the clip and it is VERY eye opening. I am only a little surprised that there are so many on this board that are against the legalization of it. There is a lot of ignorance and denial still in society. Hopefully people will educate themselves more and become more tolerant of others rights. I agree with you 100% Clayton.

And Wazoo- you are a very smart young man. NO way should marijuana be used by adolescents. No where have I ever heard that be an acceptable practice. Just like alcohol or tobacco shouldn't be either...( I can't stand tobacco but understand it's somewhat of a relaxer for smokers, but yuck )....

One last thing too- I appreciate the discussion that has been in this thread and the fact no one has completely flipped out. Anyone on the board knows that these discussions are very rare and will remain that way, especially on the front page.

In MIchigan there is NO age limit on medical marijuana and a 7-year has the script along with severa other minors. Then you learn its their parents who buy medical grade, have it lad tested for certain components. is then cooked and administered in exact doses for seizures and similar disorders. Never is a big word Leon...these parents seem far more responsible to me than standard and I support them completely.

And yes, there is a TON of ignorance on this subject and people are afraid to educate themselves. What does freedom mean?

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by Leon

And Wazoo- you are a very smart young man. NO way should marijuana be used by adolescents. No where have I ever heard that be an acceptable practice. Just like alcohol or tobacco shouldn't be either...( I can't stand tobacco but understand it's somewhat of a relaxer for smokers, but yuck )....

Thank you very much Leon.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

Thanks for posting that link Clayton. For those that are opposed I hope they will watch it and then let us know if they are still opposed. I would be extremely interested. It's a REAL eye opener when 80,000 judges, prosecutors, law enforcement officers and supporters are behind the end of the illegality. It also gives an idea why it really is still illegal, as Joe above said....there is so much money being made off of keeping it illegal that business and profiteers are fighting tooth and nail.

Thanks Leon-

I figured it would wake some people up, considering the source. I think it's easier for people to just assume because drugs are illegal, that there is no real problem. Quite the contrary. I wish everyone would watch the videos and listen to what they are saying- especially those of you with kids.

Keep your heads in the sand, and keep letting the cartels get RICH. Keep wasting billions of dollars fighting something that just keeps growing, like cancer. The more money spent "fighting the war" the stronger the drugs get, and the bigger the loads are, coming across the border. The deaths will continue, and the prisons will keep overflowing. Families get wrecked, homes lost, and the time spent chasing plants is more time taken away from more important things, like solving unsolved homicides, rapes, etc.

Drug abuse is a medical problem, not a crime. Look at the countries that have legalized (Cole's video, again, gives the statistics).

Sincerely, Clayton