New T205 Website with Master Checklist

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by edhans

Scott,
No quarrel with your stance on your intellectual property. Just found it odd that you singled out T205 collectors as reticent, when the folks I mentioned have always been generous in sharing their knowledge.

I got that, and I'm still not going there (with names)

Edited to add - overall, the nuances, numbers, etc., of the t205 set have not been discussed in near as much detail as t206's (even relative to the popularity, collectibility of the two sets);i.e-overall, T206 collectors have been much more willing to share their set's secrets. This isn't a negative comment on any T205 collectors, it's simply what I've noticed. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - it's still not meant to be demeaning of anyone so I don't see the problem with me stating this opinion.

[Big Six]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I got that, and I'm still not going there (with names)

Edited to add - overall, the nuances, numbers, etc., of the t205 set have not been discussed in near as much detail as t206's (even relative to the popularity, collectibility of the two sets);i.e-overall, T206 collectors have been much more willing to share their set's secrets. This isn't a negative comment on any T205 collectors, it's simply what I've noticed. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong - it's still not meant to be demeaning of anyone so I don't see the problem with me stating this opinion.

No need to apologize, Scott...I agree. T206 posts grossly outnumber t205 posts and check out the b/s/t...very few for sale. There's a fraction of the information on t205s versus what's out there for t206s...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Big Six

No need to apologize, Scott...I agree. T206 posts grossly outnumber t205 posts and check out the b/s/t...very few for sale. There's a fraction of the information on t205s versus what's out there for t206s...

Thanks. As an aside, I love T205s - just wish the set was larger and that there were action shots of the Major Leaguers.

Also, I've very much enjoyed conversing with T205 collectors on this board...via PM and email, which is fine. They've taught me a lot, and since I don't collect the set, I doubt I've gotten in their way much, and I know I've supplied a few of them with reasonably-priced T205s.

Edited to add: just noticed your avatar. That, along with the Cobb, are two on my short 'iconic tobacco card' list.

[Wite3]

t205 vs. t206 seems to be a silly argument...t206 is collected far more widely and has been researched much more in depth. Why? Because if 10% of collectors really like the research side, then the 1000s of t206 collectors will have 100s of researchers whereas the 100s of t205 collectors will only have 10ish researchers.

By looking at board sales, that is just because the print runs were so much smaller. I would LOVE to see more p-f-g condition t205s come up for sale (and drive the price down!). That would be fine by me.

Of course, when is the last time we had a good Goudey or Diamond Star discussion? Strange how things work on the board. I remember there used to be tons of Goudey talk and little on t205s...then a ton of E-card talk, etc. It just comes and goes.

I shared info. for people I spoke to often enough. But the last time I turned over my research as a whole (albeit incomplete) it ended up in a magazine and I am fairly certain that person was compensated for it. Now I take the opposite view. If I now put it out there in public...no one can exploit it for profit and if they can find a way to make money with it, more power to them. The main reason I held on to some of my research, specifically certain back or variation research was not for profit but because I was(am) not done with it. I want a master list. Badly. Yes, I had knowledge of the Wilhelm a few years before it became known (as with the Matty Cycle, Graham sig). I wanted to make sure I knew which backs came with each before I let the public know. People beat me to the outing on the Matty and Graham but because of that I was able to say with certainty that it was only the Cycle back for Matty and got a better understanding of the Graham sigs. I also have had to fix some of my research as well (in fact, I questioned one of the findings on Ron's list and he immediately sent me a nice back scan of a Wheat I had not confirmed before...that was awesome for me!).

I put years of work into my research. I feel that it is important to me. If others find it important, useful, or just plain bizarre, that is also fine by me. I did it because I honestly love t205s.

Scott is great and I have bought several T205s from him. I respect him and I have met a few collectors who have held their info close to the vest like Scott has mentioned. That is their option. I am thankful for board members who have helped me over the years...I hope it continues.

Joshua

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Wite3

t205 vs. t206 seems to be a silly argument...t206 is collected far more widely and has been researched much more in depth. Why? Because if 10% of collectors really like the research side, then the 1000s of t206 collectors will have 100s of researchers whereas the 100s of t205 collectors will only have 10ish researchers.

By looking at board sales, that is just because the print runs were so much smaller. I would LOVE to see more p-f-g condition t205s come up for sale (and drive the price down!). That would be fine by me.

Of course, when is the last time we had a good Goudey or Diamond Star discussion? Strange how things work on the board. I remember there used to be tons of Goudey talk and little on t205s...then a ton of E-card talk, etc. It just comes and goes.

I shared info. for people I spoke to often enough. But the last time I turned over my research as a whole (albeit incomplete) it ended up in a magazine and I am fairly certain that person was compensated for it. Now I take the opposite view. If I now put it out there in public...no one can exploit it for profit and if they can find a way to make money with it, more power to them. The main reason I held on to some of my research, specifically certain back or variation research was not for profit but because I was(am) not done with it. I want a master list. Badly. Yes, I had knowledge of the Wilhelm a few years before it became known (as with the Matty Cycle, Graham sig). I wanted to make sure I knew which backs came with each before I let the public know. People beat me to the outing on the Matty and Graham but because of that I was able to say with certainty that it was only the Cycle back for Matty and got a better understanding of the Graham sigs. I also have had to fix some of my research as well (in fact, I questioned one of the findings on Ron's list and he immediately sent me a nice back scan of a Wheat I had not confirmed before...that was awesome for me!).

I put years of work into my research. I feel that it is important to me. If others find it important, useful, or just plain bizarre, that is also fine by me. I did it because I honestly love t205s.

Scott is great and I have bought several T205s from him. I respect him and I have met a few collectors who have held their info close to the vest like Scott has mentioned. That is their option. I am thankful for board members who have helped me over the years...I hope it continues.

Joshua

Joshua, very well stated (especially, "Scott is great") - I think most of us empathize and are in agreement with you (except for the part I quoted ).

You know me - I will stir the pot, but I am trying harder not to tump it over.

I can only echo what josh said. My largest issue was the lack of reaserch set forth and then wanting us to fill it in. That's not really the issue now that we have heard what this site is acctualy about. I will say I am willing to provide scans of my collection and knowledge to help out in this site. Ron if you would pm me your email I will get you many AB, pied 42, and cycle scans I have. If I have confirmed backs for your list they will be included also.

I know if I asked any of the 205 guys for their list to do a site it would have been a no brainier since we are working towards the same goal. It just made me very weary and hesitant to have a very new collector jump out here asking for this info without knowing the details about what it all is gonna be used for. I do hope you guys understand. It takes a lot of time and research to have the info we have. I am Hal we can now place it in a hobby useful place. Thank you Ron for the site and best wishes on it being completed.

[Matt E.]

First off Ed Hans is one of the very good guys in the hobby.

Honestly, I don't know if I have any information to contribute regarding T205 backs. I guess I could pull out the set and write down each back front combo. I have enjoyed learning the current findings spreadsheet, but it won't really change my buying habits.

I am more of a front guy and want to concentrate on the SGC Registry. I have had my share of blank backs - raw and graded, Hindu's and Drums etc... It was cool to own them for awhile but it never really got me going.

I like to think I am smart enough to pick out a Piedmont 42 from a stack of raw cards and buy it. However I prefer to concentrate on the variations, short prints and the hard to find cards.

Feel free to reference my website to see how I categorize T205's.

http://www.imageevent.com/babybingbaseball

When you are on the T205 page be sure to click at the top and look for these:

"Short Prints"
"Minor Leaguers"
"Variations"
"Tough to Find"