Is the auction world the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

glynparson · #1 11-14-2012, 07:08 AM

To me the population of SGC when dealing with PSA is irrelevant in my opinion, and vice versa. If they had the same standards and caught all the same alterations I would agree, but they do not.

ullmandds · #2 11-14-2012, 07:21 AM

"The only one graded in the hobby" seems to have become the latest "buzz" phrase to attract crazy bidding activity...esp on front/back t206 combinations...it seems to work...atleast for Goodwin!

The whales like to have their ego's stroked...often!

barrysloate · #3 11-14-2012, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

To me the population of SGC when dealing with PSA is irrelevant in my opinion, and vice versa. If they had the same standards and caught all the same alterations I would agree, but they do not.

Glyn- but what if you are buying the PSA 8 because you believe it's the finest known? It's not the finest if there's a better one out there. At least the cataloguer should mention the presence of what is likely the better card.

bobbyw8469 · #4 11-14-2012, 08:20 AM

Sorry - I am with Glyn on this one. You have to keep the pop reports of the different companies separate. If you start cross comparing, then you have to also include GAI, BVG, KSA, PRO, etc. Just gets to be too much.

bobbyw8469 · #5 11-14-2012, 08:28 AM

If you start cross comparing, who is going to be the judge of the companies that you do and don't include on the comparison. Someone can include both SGC and PSA, but then by omitting the one BVG card that ranks higher than both of the first two companies, that is misleading also. Then if you include BVG as well, the KSA owner says, "Well, what about MY 1 of 1 KSA 10!?!?!". Just gets to be too much. I see nothing wrong with sticking to the single companies pop report. When you start crossing companies report like that though, I just don't get it.

ullmandds · #6 11-14-2012, 08:47 AM

Comparing cards to pop reports is just a way to make the card seem rarer than it really is...no matter how you slice it?!

barrysloate · #7 11-14-2012, 10:42 AM

How about simply saying, for example: "This PSA 8 is a 1 in 1; however, SGC has graded one 9." Put the information out there, let the bidder evaluate whether or not he is getting the finest. It's about disclosure.

E93 · #8 11-14-2012, 10:47 AM

I think PSA and SGC are sufficient for vintage (pre-WWII) stuff. I have never seen a KSA card. PRO is...well PRO - not much real or unaltered stuff in their holders. Most GAI stuff has been cracked and crossed anyway. PSA and SGC would probably cover 98% of legitimate pre-War graded cards IMHO.
JimB

bobbyw8469 · #9 11-14-2012, 10:53 AM

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How about simply saying, for example: "This PSA 8 is a 1 in 1; however, SGC has graded one 9." Put the information out there, let the bidder evaluate whether or not he is getting the finest. It's about disclosure

What about the ones in BVG/Beckett holders? What about the ones in GAI holders? When you do that, you are forgetting about all the other graders of cards, no matter how reputable they are. It is not true disclosure when you are omitting people.