New T205 Website with Master Checklist

[KrenBats]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

No it's not new. I owned the card before and believe I got it from another board member.



Ron what your saying is that you started a site that you want fellow T205 collectors to fill out for you because you didn't take the time for research in depth right? So all of us give you info we have collected for yrs and we all have a bad a$$ well informed site made. So how do I get my cut when you start getting headline, banner, and other advertising profits? My time, my knowledge, my research will not be used for someone else's gain when no effort was put forth to do their own. Hell a simple 4-5hrs on the Sgc registry and ebay would give you 90%+ of what you need. Call me sour or bitter or what ever you want but all I ask is that you do not publish any info I have given of finding I have made.

Let me start of by saying that I have been collecting T205's for about 10 minutes and have a total of 4 in my collection. I definitely understand where Andrew is coming from. I have been collecting Kren bats for about 15 years and it is very difficult finding information on these bats. I have paid over $500 for catalogs, traveled to the Louisville Slugger Museum, and have spend countless hours conducting research. I would get annoyed when people would ask my opinion on bats knowing the time and money I invested in my research. (Conversly, I would get annoyed with people not willing to share their knowledge). However, by sharing the infomation that I've collected (often on this board), it has helped the overall collecting community and has hopefully saved some people shelling out big money for a Store model bat that is being called game used.

I also believe that when you give, you get more. I had provided someone information on Kren bats a couple of years ago and shared everything I had. A couple of weeks ago, he decided to sell his collection and he called me first. I would not have been able to add these bats to my collection if I was not willing to share the info I had.

For someone who is just starting out collecting T205's, it would be great to have resources similiar to the T206 sites to learn more about these cards. There were several posts about the market being down for T205's. What better way to get more people excited about collecting T205's and drive up the market?

Lastly, it is critical for the people that provide infomation get credit for their hard work. And as for advertising profits, is Leon giving us a cut from his advertising? Call me crazy, but I don't see Ron retiring anytime soon from this website. I do agree with Andrew that a little more research should have been done, but it's a start. Anyway, just a perspective from someone just staring out collecting these cards.

Mike Hud$0n

[Leon]

Originally Posted by KrenBats

Let me start of by saying that I have been collecting T205's for about 10 minutes and have a total of 4 in my collection. I definitely understand where Andrew is coming from. I have been collecting Kren bats for about 15 years and it is very difficult finding information on these bats. I have paid over $500 for catalogs, traveled to the Louisville Slugger Museum, and have spend countless hours conducting research. I would get annoyed when people would ask my opinion on bats knowing the time and money I invested in my research. (Conversly, I would get annoyed with people not willing to share their knowledge). However, by sharing the infomation that I've collected (often on this board), it has helped the overall collecting community and has hopefully saved some people shelling out big money for a Store model bat that is being called game used.

I also believe that when you give, you get more. I had provided someone information on Kren bats a couple of years ago and shared everything I had. A couple of weeks ago, he decided to sell his collection and he called me first. I would not have been able to add these bats to my collection if I was not willing to share the info I had.

For someone who is just starting out collecting T205's, it would be great to have resources similiar to the T206 sites to learn more about these cards. There were several posts about the market being down for T205's. What better way to get more people excited about collecting T205's and drive up the market?

Lastly, it is critical for the people that provide infomation get credit for their hard work. And as for advertising profits, is Leon giving us a cut from his advertising? Call me crazy, but I don't see Ron retiring anytime soon from this website. I do agree with Andrew that a little more research should have been done, but it's a start. Anyway, just a perspective from someone just staring out collecting these cards.

Mike Hud$0n

I suggest you participate in the frequent board contests or come to the National and go to the Net54baseball dinner at the National in order to understand what is given back vis a vis profits from our ads (not that I need to, but I have). The dinner has some sponsorship, usually, but I have always had to put in 4 figures or more to pay for it. Try having food and a 6 hour open bar for 200 or so people, at a nice hotel, and let me know the cost. Nah, I have never given anything back. Oh, please send your membership dues asap too. best regards

ps...Good luck with the site Ron!! Nice start.

[KrenBats]

Leon, by no means was I questioning all the great things that you do by investing in this site and the other events. It is a tremendous site and I'm sure there is a significant financial investment hosting the site, the dinners, etc. I never said that you didn't give anything back. I was just making a point that most of us share our knowledge and info on the site and don't expect money in return. The success of the site is clearly attributed to your efforts and reinvesting in the Net54 community!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by KrenBats

Leon, by no means was I questioning all the great things that you do by investing in this site and the other events. It is a tremendous site and I'm sure there is a significant financial investment hosting the site, the dinners, etc. I never said that you didn't give anything back. I was just making a point that most of us share our knowledge and info on the site and don't expect money in return. The success of the site is clearly attributed to your efforts and reinvesting in the Net54 community!

Thanks Mike. I know you understand most of what goes into running this site and the time it takes. Hopefully, as you said, the more we give the more we get. That has always been my philosophy. I consider myself very lucky to be able to moderate it, with the help of a few others. I enjoy sharing knowledge and helping other collectors. As I always say, when we are eventually on our deathbed, it won't be about what we have "gotten" but about what we have "given" and done. Take care and best of luck....and thanks for your participation and sharing of knowledge. Without our members, such as yourself, this site would be nothing (literally).

[Ease]

I think its a great start Ron. All you have to do now is fill in the blanks as far as the checklist is concerned, and that will come in time.

[Harford20]

A quick one I noticed missing. Not a pretty card, but the only one I have seen (although I know there are several more out there) and confirms the existence of the Frank Chance AB Green back for you.
Dave

[Wite3]

I totally understand where Andrew is coming from. Many years ago, I shared much of my t205 research with a fellow collector. Who then published it in a magazine article and took credit for all of it. My master checklist is currently nearly twice the size of of what is on Ron's shows. I could fill in a bunch of the holes. I am leaning towards doing this but I honestly do not know Ron well and am hesitant by being burned the last time. I might be persuaded still but at this time, I think I am just holding back because of my history.

Joshua

PS Edited to say that the webiste is very nice and I love the way the master chart is set up. Easy to see and read. Good job.

[egbeachley]

If T205resource.com was able to make some money for advertising, etc., and that's a big if considering it would get the same 20-30 people per month visiting, I bet it won't be enough to pay the webmaster minimum wage for the time spent creating and updating the site. Not even including the research part.

Looking at the master checklist and having been familiar with the set for nearly 40 years, I didn't realized how many "variations" were specific to a particular brand back. Loses the luster of being a "variation" that way.

[buymycards]

My guess is that if you look at the site expenses and the amount of time invested by Leon, he would make more money per hour by working part time at McDonalds than he makes on this site. I HOPE Leon is making enough money from this site to keep it going and to make his time worthwhile.

In a way, I can see Andrews point. It's kind of like outing auctions. If more people have information and are aware of the auctions or the rare cards then the prices will go up and the cards will become more difficult to obtain.

For some reason, this thinking doesn't seem to apply to T206's. It seems that nearly everyone is willing to share the T206 "secrets". Not so with T213's, T216's, and T205's.

Nice job on the T205 site.

Rick

[Wihawk]

Thanks Ron for the site. I just started collecting a team set of Superbas(still need Dahlen, Daubert and Wilhelm r or no r doesn't interest me), so this site came at a very nice time in my BB card collecting journey.

[rsst206]

Hi Ron was going over my set. You can add this Fred Merkle
Best regards
Ron

Downey and phelps is listed as having both BL backs. Downey is an olive and phelps a black back. It is not possible for them to exist with both backs.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Downey and phelps is listed as having both BL backs. Downey is an olive and phelps a black back. It is not possible for them to exist with both backs.

Thank you Andrew, This is one of the topics that will be in tonights update because the scans are hard to tell sometimes between the black and olive green. I've corrected these two and it will show in tonights update. Thanks again,

Ron

[Ronnie73]

We are a week into this new website and everyone has been a lot of help. A special thank you to Andrew W. (Pup6913) for sharing his checklist with everyone. Also, to all the other Net54baseball.com members, thank you for spending the time to view the list and seeing if there's anything missing. A few changes have been made to the checklist. Variations have been added and some corrections need to be made on the following. Broadleaf backs are either a black or olive green color but not both for the same card. Because the olive green looks sometimes black on a scan, I could use some help correcting which of the two colors they might be. One other card that needs more research is the John Miller card. Without really clear large scans, its hard to identify which of the variations should be checked off. At the moment, question marks are being used until more verification happens. If you know of a variation that should be added to the list, please email me the information, Thanks.

Ron
T205Resource.com

[HercDriver]

I'm sticking with my list of 123 Sovereigns...so I think your 125 number is wrong. Joshua, any luck finding those two cards? If so, I'd love to know!

Take Care,
Geno

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by HercDriver

I'm sticking with my list of 123 Sovereigns...so I think your 125 number is wrong. Joshua, any luck finding those two cards? If so, I'd love to know!

Take Care,
Geno

Hi Geno, I have a feeling that those two don't exist either but just waiting to see if Joshua comes up with the scans first.

Ron

Ron the Doc white comes with Quotes for all the backs its found with other than PB. Al PB backed Whites will have either No Quotes/partial quotes on right side . I would list the card variation as:
Doc White
Doc White No/Partial Quotes

Also I am arguing the Walsh pink baselines as a variation since none others have been found to exist and the odds of the card stock being subjected to a dye or ink bleed far outweighs the odds of another Walsh being found with the pink base paths.