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[Duluth Eskimo]

I hope you remember this when "you" get to pay you "fair" share. Liberals are always ok until it affects their bottom line. When it affects them, then we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

[isaac2004]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I hope you remember this when "you" get to pay you "fair" share. Liberals are always ok until it affects their bottom line. When it affects them, then we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, by sheer definition here is the definition of the adjective liberal

Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values

now here it is for conservative

Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.

I would discern from the definitions that liberals are more open to "Change" than conservatives.

[mr2686]

Originally Posted by isaac2004

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, by sheer definition here is the definition of the adjective liberal

Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values

What?...like changing Capitalism in to Socialism?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by isaac2004

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, by sheer definition here is the definition of the adjective liberal

Open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values

now here it is for conservative

Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.

I would discern from the definitions that liberals are more open to "Change" than conservatives.

There's this little piece of paper that you may remember reading about in 10th grade government class, it's called the Constitution which is what the US was founded on. "Open to change" is exactly what I am referring to because there must be a better way to govern than what made us the greatest nation in the
World for the last 300 plus years. Of course "HE" must be smarter than everyone that came before him. Wait, or maybe socialism just doesn't work after all.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

There's this little piece of paper that you may remember reading about in 10th grade government class, it's called the Constitution which is what the US was founded on. "Open to change" is exactly what I am referring to because there must be a better way to govern than what made us the greatest nation in the
World for the last 300 plus years. Of course "HE" must be smarter than everyone that came before him. Wait, or maybe socialism just doesn't work after all.

Looks like you will (be grouchy), though!

Guess what, Duluth? It ain't your father's America no more.

Get used to it.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

It ain't your father's America no more.

Sure it is.

These things are cyclical. Sooner or later the balloon will burst with the cult of personality messiah and it won't seem so fashionable to look to the government as the solution to every problem. It doesn't seem like it now, but self-determination doesn't go out of style.

[JimStinson]

BREAKING NEWS ! President chooses NEW VP

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

BREAKING NEWS ! President chooses NEW VP

Say it ain't so!

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Sure it is.

These things are cyclical. Sooner or later the balloon will burst with the cult of personality messiah and it won't seem so fashionable to look to the government as the solution to every problem. It doesn't seem like it now, but self-determination doesn't go out of style.

It ain't.
It has nothing to do with a "cult of personality," and everything to do with voter demographics. Old white men are dying, and blacks, Hispanics, Asians, LGBT, and more liberal youth are taking their place.

In not-so-many years, the Hispanic vote will render Texas a blue state.

Dig it!

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

It ain't.
It has nothing to do with a "cult of personality," and everything to do with voter demographics. Old white men are dying, and blacks, Hispanics, Asians, LBGT, and more liberal youth are taking their place.

In not-so-many years, the Hispanic vote will render Texas a blue state.

Dig it!

I was going to post something very similar to this.

My super-old neighbor dropped by today while I was doing yard work and told me many things regarding how disappointed he was in the election results. I was polite because he's super old, but one of his parting notes made me raise my eyebrows. He mentioned how men have given up their leadership role when it comes to women. I guess that in the "old days" a woman would vote how her husband voted (I don't actually know if this was a "spoken" thing, or if she just knew to do so).

This certainly isn't so anymore, and there's no doubt that we're better off for it. My wife is quite capable in a way that I gather my neighbor isn't familiar with. The world is changing. Women do stuff. She deserves to have her voice heard independent of mine. I truly believe this. Her interests are naturally informed by a different set of issues than mine...we still tend to agree on most stuff anyhow.

The same is true for all minorities who's voices were marginalized for years and years. Black, female, homosexual, Latino, atheist, whatever...these groups comprise a huge majority when their interests intersect. The world is bigger and smaller at the same time and we have an awesome opportunity to reject fear and exclusion and embrace their opposites.

Cult of personality doesn't even begin to explain why Obama and his progressive ideas are more popular than any mainstream GOP leader's stone-aged ideas. I certainly reject the idea that the election of Obama was unconstitutional. Deal with reality now...it IS different and frankly, I believe it IS better.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

It has nothing to do with a "cult of personality," and everything to do with voter demographics. Old white men are dying, and blacks, Hispanics, Asians, LGBT, and more liberal youth are taking their place.

In not-so-many years, the Hispanic vote will render Texas a blue state

My point is, today's disgruntled, "disenfranchised" 20- or 30-something -- latino, black, gay... whatever -- is tomorrow's business person who has to meet a payroll and pay taxes. Yes, indeed, demographics change. In my view, Latinos in particular may shift away from the Dems.

If the messiah could re-brand the old tax and spend Democrats into something more fashionable, then it's entirely possible the GOP could undergo a similar transformation with the right talent.

And if you don't think that Obama's success is not largely due to the celebrity nature of the culture and pure marketing, then maybe you are one of the enthralled. Do you really think the college age kids that vote for him in droves are deep political thinkers with a real grasp of the issues? Or maybe, just maybe, they are voting for him because it's the fashionable thing to do among that crowd?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I hope you remember this when "you" get to pay you "fair" share. Liberals are always ok until it affects their bottom line. When it affects them, then we need to put a stop to this nonsense.

Oooo. I hope you're not gonna be this grouchy for the next four years!