Mike Gutierrez cert - render your own opinion, paige, hornung, simpson, Lemieux, Mant

[otismalibu]

How many of the pieces are signed magazine pages?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by otismalibu

How many of the pieces are signed magazine pages?

Looks like the majority are 8x10's.

[Deertick]

I don't like McCovey, Paige, Jackson, Garvey, Koufax, OJ. Come on, there is even a 'Mark Spitz' that has his name mispelled. I only looked at 10 because photobucket kept locking me up, and the other 3 weren't good as much as not as sure. Bad ratio for me to believe it is worth any risk to purchase.

A wise man once said on here something about peeing in a cup.

BTW, I don't believe for a second that MG authenticated a 'collection' as a whole. And how can you appraise something without authenticating first? I'd love to see that email......


Stay away!

[drc]

I'm no expert on appraisals and this is a very broad example, but I read that an appraisal is based on 'assuming the items are authentic.' I give an example of when someone appraises the contents of your home for insurance purposes. You can't expect the appraiser to be an expert on the Superman Comic book on your shelf and the diamond ring and oil painting next to it. You'd be be goofy in the head to expert him to be able to authenticate everything in our house for that one hour hour appraisal. He may ask to see the certification that that ring is real diamond, the receipt/papers for that painting and the LOA your Domonique Wilkens game used jersey, but he's not there as an authenticator. If you read the average appraisal, you will often see that it specifically and overtly says that it is not statement about the authenticity, but only a value estimate based on 'if' the items are real.

I do realize the obvious difference is the case in this thread involves a group of autographs and an appraiser who is an expert in autographs. But keep in mind an appraisal and an authentication are often distinctly different things. For all we know, the customer sent in a list of autographs saying "I need to know the going market value to quote for my insurance" and Gutierrez may have quoted him a going 'if they are real' market price.

Duly note I've never exactly understood appraisals, especially how the heck they come up with their values for items-- so I've long been suspect of the whole scheme. But that's how they work, and how appraisers are taught in appraiser school.

And firstly and lastly and middle, you have to see the actual appraisal document to know what it says. Assuming what it says and intends doesn't feed the bull dog. As noted, it may have simply be a generic quote of market prices because someone asked.

[D. Bergin]

I couldn't count the number of phone calls I've fielded over the years.

"Hello, I have such and such boxing item. How much is it worth?"

It's usually one of two answers.

#1. "It might sell for 50 bucks on Ebay if you are lucky, or $100 bucks or so if you want to retail it, and hold onto it a couple of years before you find the right buyer." (numbers may vary of course)

#2. "It's a fake, reproduction, modern print, a facsimile: not an actual autograph, vintage photo, poster, etc., etc..


Response from the caller. "But I had it appraised and the guy said it was worth $500-$10,000 (or some number in between).

My response. "Ok, who appraised it".

Callers response. "A local Antique guy".

My response. (Repeat my two above answers).

Caller response. "That can't be right, guy appraised it........blah, blah, blah."

My response. "Ok, good luck with your item........here's a list of Sports auction houses you can call or contact with your item.".

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I couldn't count the number of phone calls I've fielded over the years.

"Hello, I have such and such boxing item. How much is it worth?"

It's usually one of two answers.

#1. "It might sell for 50 bucks on Ebay if you are lucky, or $100 bucks or so if you want to retail it, and hold onto it a couple of years before you find the right buyer." (numbers may vary of course)

#2. "It's a fake, reproduction, modern print, a facsimile: not an actual autograph, vintage photo, poster, etc., etc..


Response from the caller. "But I had it appraised and the guy said it was worth $500-$10,000 (or some number in between).

My response. "Ok, who appraised it".

Callers response. "A local Antique guy".

My response. (Repeat my two above answers).

Caller response. "That can't be right, guy appraised it........blah, blah, blah."

My response. "Ok, good luck with your item........here's a list of Sports auction houses you can call or contact with your item.".

When they come in with a totally off the wall price from an "appraiser" my response is "offer it to the appraiser and see how much he will offer you."