Mike Gutierrez cert - render your own opinion, paige, hornung, simpson, Lemieux, Mant

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by travrosty

He was an authenticator for psa, global and is now for jsa.

i would pass on his authentications and look for other opinions, but thats my personal view.

I think he has more baggage than southwest airlines.

PSA will be in town next Saturday, so it pays to pick up the stuff if it is authentic, because at that point I can pay for the increase in market value for ebay and save on shipping.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

PSA will be in town next Saturday, so it pays to pick up the stuff if it is authentic, because at that point I can pay for the increase in market value for ebay and save on shipping.

here;s some advice, if you pay for psa authentication and some stuff fails, then you lose money. also a lot of these autos are plentiful, and psa authentication isnt going to gain you a lot. and thats my two cents. wait for a lot more opinions on some of these autographs.

[earlywynnfan]

I've never had a problem with MG. However, I believe this is his signature on this authentication, where he blows it on Joe Giard. I have been trying to reach JSA all week, with zero response, to get this corrected. Does anyone have a way to reach them??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/251175243883...84.m1423.l2649

Ken

[Big Dave]

I didn't really see anything worth the money to get a TPA on, especially if you are going to sell on eBay.

[drc]

If someone had the letters t, p and a in his name, Travis would recommend against him.

[toybulldog]

No way on the Sugar Ray, not even a close miss.

[D. Bergin]

The Ray Robinson looks horrible.

[D. Bergin]

Wow, Mark and I must have seen it at the exact same time.

[toybulldog]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Wow, Mark and I must have seen it at the exact same time.

And we didn't even have to enlarge the thumbnail.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by drc

If someone had the letters t, p and a in his name, Travis would recommend against him.

not true, i have always said that a third party authentication system could work, just not the way it is being done now.

as we see with the sugar ray robinson, why reward that type of authentication. i am for competant authentication. if they quit pretending they knew all genres and categories and stuck to what they do know, maybe it would get better.

but you are correct, i haven't been too enthralled or impressed with what we have now. But that's not my fault.

they need a customer bill of rights.

1. you should be able to know just who looked at your autograph and only that person shoudl sign off on the cert.

2. they should show exemplars, especially when asked to back up their opinion.

3. when they make a mistake, own up to it, admit it, take care of it and make it right.

4. slow down and take more time to authenticate autographs, get more opinions, issue more no opinions when you dont know instead of guessing (51% percent system of authenticating sucks)

5. hire more people, get more specialized experts instead of one guy authetnicating 50 different categories with tens of thousands of different names.

6. stick to the hof'ers, major stars and other notables and quit trying to expand to authenticate every c league south american soccer team. Stick to the basics and get the basics right first.

there is a lot more i could add.

[drc]

I agree with a number of your points, Travis

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by drc

I agree with a number of your points, Travis

He makes a number of reasonable points. One in particular though I think is simply impossible from a practical standpoint.

2. they should show exemplars, especially when asked to back up their opinion.

If they were to do this, it's all they would do all day long. They'd have to triple the staff to accomplish this and also continue to do day-to-day operations. Then prices would rise sharply accordingly. Imagine having to explain to every irate submitter why his Burckzyk Mantle is fake? "But my grandfather got it in person!!!" Day after day after day. It would be the 7th circle of hell.

FWIW, CGC, the comic grading company, used to offer graders notes if you called and wanted to know why a book obtained a certain grade. They had to stop offering this service because the graders were on the phone all day long.

[Sean1125]

So are some things good and some bad?

I am familiar with some of the baseball hall of famers (not Koufax), but have no idea on BKB, FB, and boxing.

As I said earlier, the price is incredibly fair at $1500 for that- if everything is authentic. He is moving and needs to get rid of them, so if I have to discount because just a few of the pieces are NG I still want to make him an offer.

[otismalibu]

How many of the pieces are signed magazine pages?

[Sean1125]

Ended up just passing on everything, second looks proved too much stuff to look NG. Thanks for the help as always.