An inescapable dilema for Lance Armstrong is...

[alanu]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I do know one thing for sure. I wish bryant gumbel would shut up his militant mouth. It's amazing in this day and age with racism, but this guy is the biggest racist out there. I can't stand him and i despise him. He must suffer from amnesia on all of his personal bullshit that he never seems to bring up, but he gets free reign to lambast other celebrities. Every person i know in the national media says that this guy is a complete douche bag.....

If you're referring to his little editorial blurb at the end of the most recent Real Sports on HBO, I completely agree. He was way out of line with some of his comments.

Speaking of Real Sports, did anyone watch it and not get teary eyed during the volleyball store?

[CMIZ5290]

My apologies for any comments made that were sensitive to some members. I just get sick and tired of seeing this guy lay into some people, but completely ignore others that are just as obvious.

[Leon]

I do agree that the steadfast lying by Armstrong might be worse than the cheating, as everyone did it. I am not saying cheating was ok just that the lying, after the fact, is worse. It reminds me of Charlie Hustle. It also reminds me of what we teach our daughter every single day....and that is lying is usually worse than what you are lying about. My wife and I treat it as such too. Everyone makes mistakes and it's how we handle them that is the difference between a winner and a loser. (my view) Right now Lance is being a loser. And lastly this is not to diminish the good he has done with raising money for cancer. He has done a lot of good in that respect and I hope it continues (and think it will)..

[steve B]

Having read some of the hard evidence and the science behind it I've become convinced. I wondered for years how he could pass so many tests and still have the accusations. I'd put it down to his personality. Always one to trash an ex teammate who left because they wanted a slice of the spotlight.

The culture as I've said before is one that embraces the repentant. Sort of like if Barry Bonds said "yeah, you caught me" did his year off and all was forgiven. Maybe it's a European thing.

Having read the article in SI, what saddens me is that the UCI officials right up to include two presidents of the organization declared him clean when they knew absolutely that he wasn't. One positive test went away followed closely by a 150K "donation" from Lance that was used for of all things a youth anti doping education program and a piece of testing equipment.

In my mind there's cheating - Bad but apparently common. And then there's ruining the careers of those who know and speak out - Much worse.
And finally allowing a known cheat to continue in return for payoffs as long as the money keeps coming......... There's a lot of guys who should also be getting a lifetime ban if not jail time. But they won't get any punishment at all.

And as someoneelse mentioned the number of places they'd have to back up if they removed the results of all the riders who have at one time tested positive would be crazy.

On the plus side Jan Ullrich just became a 4 time tdf winner.

(His results from 05 and 06 were already stripped earlier this year by an arbitration board. He was also retroactively banned from 2011 on, despite being retired since early 2007 I guess to prevent any sort of comeback.)

Steve B