Giants VS Cardinals

[barrysloate]

What do you say about a team that faces six elimination games in the first two rounds and wins all of them? That's unprecedented....and I'm a lifelong Giants fan (since 1962) and I've never seen a group as clutch as these guys. The last three games against St. Louis weren't really even close.

Should be a great World Series.

[yanks12025]

I think giants beat tigers easily. Tigers could barely beat a yankee team that hit .188(talking about scores of games).

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I think giants beat tigers easily. Tigers could barely beat a yankee team that hit .188(talking about scores of games).

Barely beat? Tigers swept the yanks....

[sportscardpete]

Cain is a flat out machine...

Verlander has been fantastic this postseason, but he was pretty off in his previous two postseason attempts.. Lets see if he keeps it up. If he continues to be fantastic then I think Detroit gets it. They have a lot of power in the middle order..

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

Cain is a flat out machine...

Verlander has been fantastic this postseason, but he was pretty off in his previous two postseason attempts.. Lets see if he keeps it up. If he continues to be fantastic then I think Detroit gets it. They have a lot of power in the middle order..

Cain a flat out machine? Let's not get crazy. He had a good year, but he definitely overachieved. He slowed down as the year moved forward as was expected. Verlander is a machine. Watch both pitchers and you'll figure this out very quickly.

Cain pitched a paltry 5 2/3's innings with 4 k's in game 7...not great stats by any means. He's been a consistent pitcher for the past few years, but just emerged this year as the Giant's guy....He's good, but far from great.

[Anthony S.]

How did Cain overachieve? He's had an era under 2.90 and a whip under 1.09 for 3 out of the past 4 years. He has much better winning percentage this year for the simple reason that they're scoring more runs for him. Those first few post Bonds offensives were pretty anemic.

He also had 3 starts and pitched 20 and 1/3 innings during the 2010 playoffs without giving up a single earned run.

[thekingofclout]

I think the key to this Series, is which Lincecum shows up. The one from the last four years or the one from this year.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

How did Cain overachieve? He's had an era under 2.90 and a whip under 1.09 for 3 out of the past 4 years. He has much better winning percentage this year for the simple reason that they're scoring more runs for him. Those first few post Bonds offensives were pretty anemic.

He also had 3 starts and pitched 20 and 1/3 innings during the 2010 playoffs without giving up a single earned run.

Maybe it's just me, but I am unbiased when it comes to any player...I just don't see elite when I see Cain pitch.

He had his best overall year this year...therefore I believe he overachieved. Maybe he's going to be better from this year moving forward, but he was never great, but more of a good pitcher. You can say what you want about wins and losses and run support, but Felix never gets run support and he's considered elite. Until this year, no one would really think of comparing Cain with Felix...I still don't. Cain was more of a 6 inning, 5-7 strikeout kinda guy until this year. He has career numbers of 85-78 in the win loss column...run support or not, the Giants haven't been a bad team since he's been there. He's never deserved to be a #1 guy until this year....hence the overachieve label.

Edited to add: Anthony, I just noticed you're from San Francisco...your post makes a lot more sense now. And good luck to the Giants...should be a great series.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

Barely beat? Tigers swept the yanks....

That's why I said score!!! Tigers beat us 6-4, 3-0(should have been 1-0 but ump blew a easy call) and 2-1 with final game being the only blow out. If the Yankee team even had hit alittle they would have easily taken the first three games. In game 1 they loaded the bases THREE times and didn't score once. Another team in that same spot would have scored runs and won that game. Game two they left more men on base and didn't get hits with runners in scoring position.

Game three Verlander had nothing(he even said it) and left pitches right over the plate, yet Yankee hitters did nothing but pop them up. When going good they normally kill the pitches he had thrown them.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

That's why I said score!!! Tigers beat us 6-4, 3-0(should have been 1-0 but ump blew a easy call) and 2-1 with final game being the only blow out. If the Yankee team even had hit alittle they would have easily taken the first three games. In game 1 they loaded the bases THREE times and didn't score once. Another team in that same spot would have scored runs and won that game. Game two they left more men on base and didn't get hits with runners in scoring position.

Game three Verlander had nothing(he even said it) and left pitches right over the plate, yet Yankee hitters did nothing but pop them up. When going good they normally kill the pitches he had thrown them.

Verlanders comment was made about the 9th and he let one hang and gave up a HR. Also, the Yankees starting pitching was fantastic even if the bats sucked. Cabrera and Fielder have had a sub-par post-season, but neither stay cold very long. The timing factor will be more of a hinderance for them, hopefully its a good series.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Verlanders comment was made about the 9th and he let one hang and gave up a HR. Also, the Yankees starting pitching was fantastic even if the bats sucked. Cabrera and Fielder have had a sub-par post-season, but neither stay cold very long. The timing factor will be more of a hinderance for them, hopefully its a good series.

Also, you certainly can't disparage the heart that the Giants showed during their series, but I don't think they would have scored nearly as many runs as they did if the Card's defense hadn't fallen apart (particularly in game 7).

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Verlanders comment was made about the 9th and he let one hang and gave up a HR. Also, the Yankees starting pitching was fantastic even if the bats sucked. Cabrera and Fielder have had a sub-par post-season, but neither stay cold very long. The timing factor will be more of a hinderance for them, hopefully its a good series.

Verlander said at the end of the game he had nothing after the 4th inning and was just throwing balls in.