1914 CK Joe Jackson

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

PayPal tells me they have to give the seller until the 29th to respond why does it take a second to pay but 10 days to get a refund? Rob

Hopefully this all works out for you and it'd be nice if the seller has convicted fraud that there would be some type of penalty.

[Runscott]

The only way this can work out is you do not get the card, and you get a refund. If the seller owned the card, and cracked it out, he would not be selling using a cropped version of the REA scan. In addition, he lied to Steve and said that the card was trimmed. No, the scan is trimmed. There is no card.

[Bigb13]

Why do I have to wait 10 days?

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

Why do I have to wait 10 days?

Because when you paid you both agreed to the transaction. This time the seller is not agreeing to the refund.

Don't forget, many times the scammer is the buyer who demands a refund after receiving a real card.

[Bigb13]

I spoke to someone at Paypal and they said they are holding the money and they said seller does not have access to it. Should I not be covered by EBay buyer protection?

[alanu]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

I spoke to someone at Paypal and they said they are holding the money and they said seller does not have access to it. Should I not be covered by EBay buyer protection?

It sounds like you are if they are holding the money.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Runscott

The only way this can work out is you do not get the card, and you get a refund. If the seller owned the card, and cracked it out, he would not be selling using a cropped version of the REA scan. In addition, he lied to Steve and said that the card was trimmed. No, the scan is trimmed. There is no card.

Scott - So how does all this work? The card never shows, the buyer tries to get his money back. Couldnt the seller just move the PP funds into his bank account thus preventing any return? Completely agree w/ you here, there is no card. Im just wondering how he would ever get his money back. The seller gets kicked off ebay, but big deal for $4700. Is there a way he actually sees that money again?

[nsaddict]

Rob, hope it works out but it would appear this is a con job. A PSA4 Mantle sold(a different seller) on Oct 15th @10k....he sold the same cert Mantle @4500 on Oct 17th.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...item337d07c1ff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item3a7add9357

[michael3322]

Who buys a $10k Mantle (PSA or SGC) from an eBay seller who has 0 feedback and just joined on Oct 15?

Originally Posted by nsaddict

Rob, hope it works out but it would appear this is a con job. A PSA4 Mantle sold(a different seller) on Oct 15th @10k....he sold the same cert Mantle @4500 on Oct 17th.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...item337d07c1ff

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantl...item3a7add9357

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by michael3322

Who buys a $10k Mantle (PSA or SGC) from an eBay seller who has 0 feedback and just joined on Oct 15?

Nobody.... but the seller was hoping 2 bodies were going to pay for it

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Scott - So how does all this work? The card never shows, the buyer tries to get his money back. Couldnt the seller just move the PP funds into his bank account thus preventing any return? Completely agree w/ you here, there is no card. Im just wondering how he would ever get his money back. The seller gets kicked off ebay, but big deal for $4700. Is there a way he actually sees that money again?

Yes, the seller can move the funds (I'm surprised he hasn't) But Paypal will still give the buyer a complete refund. I think most of the scammers are actually scamming ebay, not the buyer. Given this, it's really in ebay's best interest to remove scammers and fake items as soon as we alert them.

[Bigb13]

PayPal told me that I will get a refund on Mon the 29th at 430 10 days after I filed the claim. They said they have the funds.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

PayPal told me that I will get a refund on Mon the 29th at 430 10 days after I filed the claim. They said they have the funds.

That is good news. Say what you want to about PayPal but they do have some protections that help against fraud and other bad business practices. About 6 months ago when we moved to our new hosting company for this board, I had paid a full year (around $1200) to the previous hosting company in order to get our own server. They were so inept that I had to fire them...they actually couldn't do the job they said they could. I requested a refund from them but got no response. I filed a claim with Paypal, explained the situation,.....and about 2 weeks later got all of my money back. Had I paid with a money order or check there is no way that would have happened. I would have been without my money. I know PayPal has issues but they also do a good job most of the time.

[Bigb13]

Looks to me like someone else got taken for a Mantle Rookie for 4500 the day before how can we let them know about this seller?