Check this Joe Jackson auto out

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Why are you so sure it is fake?? Can you please offer some thoughts other than Psa is wrong?

PSA has to prove that they are right. How did they do that with that two letter squiggle?

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

PSA has to prove that they are right. How did they do that with that two letter squiggle?

Perhaps they have proof it is right Richard. All you do is bash psa and jsa on here man. It is really getting tiresome. You obviously have a axe to grind and it is personal. You call them the alphabet guys, talk about tombs.. etc etc. Do you charge for authenticating?? If you think it is bad, prove it. PERIOD

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

PSA has to prove that they are right. How did they do that with that two letter squiggle?

In my opinion, PSA does not have to prove it is right. It is their "opinion" it is good, and whomever buys it has to be able to trust PSA. It is still a buyer beware market 1000%!

[Fuddjcal]

the stupidest most ridiculous thing I've ever seen...and it's a HALF of a "J".

Having their name attached to that drec, authentic or not, only knocks "the alphabets" down another rung.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

in my opinion, psa does not have to prove it is right. It is their "opinion" it is good, and whomever buys it has to be able to trust psa. It is still a buyer beware market 1000%!

true that.

[Big Dave]

PSA and JSA don't get bashed just for being PSA & JSA......they get bashed for their incompetence, their know it all attitude, their inability to know basic authentication procedures, their authentication of laser prints, items manufactured after the death of players, autographs were their are no known exemplers, wife, ghost, batboy, managers, etc...etc. Just their pure incompetence for being...as they state...the world's largest authentication company....and by implied reference...the best.

Of course....a lot of people just think they suck...period.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

PSA and JSA don't get bashed just for being PSA & JSA......they get bashed for their incompetence, their know it all attitude, their inability to know basic authentication procedures, their authentication of laser prints, items manufactured after the death of players, autographs were their are no known exemplers, wife, ghost, batboy, managers, etc...etc. Just their pure incompetence for being...as they state...the world's largest authentication company....and by implied reference...the best.

Of course....a lot of people just think they suck...period.

+1

How many barely literate people could there have been in the early 1900's with a name starting with "J"? IT HAS TO BE SHOELESS JOE!

[David Atkatz]

The partial signature was cut from the back of an envelope--sent to Jackson--upon which Jackson "practiced" signing--it contained two complete signatures, as well as the partial. It had been sold at auction (Heritage) for $45,000, and had been authenticated by PSA.


Cutting up that envelope was a crime. Without the association with the Jackson envelope, that "Jo" is worthless.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

PSA and JSA don't get bashed just for being PSA & JSA......they get bashed for their incompetence, their know it all attitude, their inability to know basic authentication procedures, their authentication of laser prints, items manufactured after the death of players, autographs were their are no known exemplers, wife, ghost, batboy, managers, etc...etc. Just their pure incompetence for being...as they state...the world's largest authentication company....and by implied reference...the best.

Of course....a lot of people just think they suck...period.

With the pure volume of sigs authenticated out there(by psa and jsa), they are bound to make mistakes just like everyone else. It is not an exact science. I am pretty sure that the "experts" on here bashing them have made mistakes too and taken money doing it. Actually, I think examples were even posted on here before. Maybe one should ask themselves how they had proven items authentic that were in fact not?? I wonder if those same "experts" were given a chance to authenticate the same volume, and say psa or jsa hired a sorry soul to spend all of his/her free time to look for their mistakes(or potential mistakes), if the percentage of mistakes would be lower. I would bet NOT. Collectors.. be careful what you ask for is all I gotta say. This particular piece, was part of a lot(which David shared). This is obviously a variable. So for those who think "how can psa authenticate a 2 letters".. well there is your answer. I bet you think it is impossible to give an OPINION of TY in a Ty Cobb letter too huh??? Ridiculous..

[JimStinson]

I thought it was a picture of a butterfly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv5woNs9WRE

[Big Dave]

I stand by what I stated Ben......and these reasons are valid and have been proven numerous times. Just because they may take in more then they can handle...it is no excuse for their inability to get it right. If they can't take the time on each item that is required for a professional and correct assessment....then they should hire more people...cut down on their acceptance....or go out of business. It's not like they just started this...they have been at it for 13 years.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

PSA and JSA don't get bashed just for being PSA & JSA......they get bashed for their incompetence, their know it all attitude, their inability to know basic authentication procedures, their authentication of laser prints, items manufactured after the death of players, autographs were their are no known exemplers, wife, ghost, batboy, managers, etc...etc. Just their pure incompetence for being...as they state...the world's largest authentication company....and by implied reference...the best.

Of course....a lot of people just think they suck...period.

+++

And add authentication of autopen signatures to your list of screwups.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

In my opinion, PSA does not have to prove it is right. It is their "opinion" it is good, and whomever buys it has to be able to trust PSA. It is still a buyer beware market 1000%!

My problem with this statement is that most people don't think that they are getting just an "opinion", they feel that they are getting a guarantee when they get something authenticated.