Post-National surprise

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by Leon

That's easy...If I am .....

Selling = Scrap

Buying = Trimmed




.

Ah...the old.... "I buy junk and sell antiques" mindset....

[Gradedcardman]

Jantz,

Very cool card. I also spent some time with this dealer. I think you went over to him right after I did. I bought the Oakes Blank Back from him. It was a great surprise to have him pull it out and offer it to me. The highlight of the afternoon.

[travrosty]

just take an exacto knife and make it into an 8. worked for wagner. or it can be a hand cut 8.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by travrosty

just take an exacto knife and make it into an 8. worked for wagner. or it can be a hand cut 8.

A figure-eight?

[mrvster]

JANTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SWEET ASS SCORE!!!

this is a "tweener" scrap as i term them........it's "scrap" by association....i have a few like this....your card can be tracked down to that lot and is having evidence of a printer scrap(Clayton's keen observations)....but, unfortunately this falls into the "grey" area scrap.....i can tell you it's a printer scrap, but "beauty will be in the eye of the beholder" on this one....


In other words:

there are some real tip offs it's scrap:

slightly out of register/ grossly wide rt. border/ part of magenta from next card on right border/ was grouped with other scrap.....

this will only get "A" designation on the flip from sgc...


IF:

it was oversized hand cut/missing color and any of the other obvious signs it would be a no brainer...


the card you have i know is scrap, but many will think opposite....

YOU GOT A CARD THAT IS AWESOME JANTZ!!!!$16.00 was a super super investment!!

You are a collector that deserves a score like this....


btw...if u ever want to let go, id be interested


CONGRATS JANTZ!!

[Jantz]

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Some good questions have been asked. I think maybe I should have posted a back scan in my initial post.

Why do I think this card was cut this way at the factory and not post-factory? I guess my thought process is this. Card doctors/trimming artists would make use of every resource possible to make money. Obviously Carrigan is not a high profile player and wouldn't bring a lot of money, especially with a common back, until you consider how grading has changed this hobby. A T206 of Carrigan graded a 7 or higher would bring enough money to catch a card doctor's attention.

Other factors are the size of the card and the crease. Trimming would reduce any card's size. This card is correct in width by T206 standards and the length is long or oversized. If this T206 had a American Beauty back then I could see why the left border would be trimmed so close to the red background, but its a Piedmont. So why would anyone hack that much of the border off.

As far as the crease, I can only assume card doctors wouldn't waste their time on a creased card. Imagine if the 5-card T206 strip with Wagner didn't have any creases in it. That strip would have probably been chopped up years ago.

Clayton - Good point my friend! The REA scans don't show the back of the card well enough though. If you look at the back scan I posted, there is part of another back showing on the upper left side.


Jantz

[teetwoohsix]

Hi Jantz-

Thanks, I see it now and stand corrected.

You really scored on this card Jantz, very cool. Thanks for posting it !!! No doubt looks hand cut/printers scrap to me....not a modern day "trim job"

Sincerely, Clayton

P.S. Johnny !! How's it going ? Hope all is well !!!