This is the problem with grading...

[mark evans]

When I learn that CU deletes threads (and bans members?) for criticizing PSA, I'm glad to be a member of a board where the freedom of speech is alive and well.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by mark evans

When I learn that CU deletes threads (and bans members?) for criticizing PSA, I'm glad to be a member of a board where the freedom of speech is alive and well.

The CU message board is run by CU and naturally doesn't want any negative talk posted about their product.
No different if you went to a restaurant sat down and complained that the food sucks.
They will ask you to leave.

Naturally on a board like N54 which isn't run by PSA, SGC, Beckett, GAI etc...
You can speak your piece and get your message across.

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

The CU message board is run by CU and naturally doesn't want any negative talk posted about their product.
No different if you went to a restaurant sat down and complained that the food sucks.
They will ask you to leave.

Naturally on a board like N54 which isn't run by PSA, SGC, Beckett, GAI etc...
You can speak your piece and get your message across.

Not to belabor the point, but I suspect that both CU, as well as most restaurants, can benefit from constructive criticism. I realize that when a business permits constructive criticism it can then become difficult to deal with outrageous allegations.

[Jay Wolt]

Mark I don't disagree, just stating that here on N54 the give & take can go on about a grading company, a dealer or anything related to the hobby.
Moreso then an avenue where the company that has criticisms levied against them is the sponsor of the site.

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Mark I don't disagree, just stating that here on N54 the give & take can go on about a grading company, a dealer or anything related to the hobby.
Moreso then an avenue where the company that has criticisms levied against them is the sponsor of the site.

I agree, Jay.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mark evans

I agree, Jay.

It might be worth mentioning that I take a ton of calls and emails from our advertisers because of what gets talked about, concerning them, on this site. There have been several that will not advertise because of things that are, or have been, said. It's not that big of a deal to me. They can always respond if they wish to. I always tell them the same thing......"I don't tell members what to say or not to say and I don't protect anyone or any company."
You do need to have your full name in your post if you want to speak positively or negatively about a person or company. That goes for everyone. I will probably go back in this thread and start putting some names in posts too. If you don't like it, put your name there yourself, don't give opinions, or don't post or edit your post out. Take your pick. thanks and happy collecting!!

[bh3443]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

The CU message board is run by CU and naturally doesn't want any negative talk posted about their product.
No different if you went to a restaurant sat down and complained that the food sucks.
They will ask you to leave.

Naturally on a board like N54 which isn't run by PSA, SGC, Beckett, GAI etc...
You can speak your piece and get your message across.

Hi Jay,
Good point, my friend! I still open new wax, and I use Blowout Cards forum to trade or buy the new Red Sox cards which I'm "obsessed with,lol".
I did not read their rules, shame on me, and I listed a wax box for sale. Well, they ripped my post down in 2 seconds and I then read the rules!

To the larger picture on this thread, when I first started to use ebay, I bought something from Probstien123 and I was impressed with his business. The sheer volume was amazing to me.
Well, right after I paid for my lot, I got a very pleasant phone call from Rick, who it turns out used to live near me here in the suburbs of Boston, and he attended my shows years earlier. We had a great chat (as you know, I talk too much because I'm home 24/7!), and I will never forget how nice and polite he was to me, a buyer of a 10$ or less card! Before hanging up, he asked me what he could do to help me with my collection; whether buying it, selling it for me or selling me cards. He went out of his way to make a great impression, and his offers were sincere, serious, and this is how he gets such a following.

As to the grade jumping, I'm sure lots of people buy and re-submit.

Well, that's my 2 cents!
Have a great weekend. And Jay, I've been admiring your tremendous selection of vintage non-sport cards! You, my friend, have some amazing stuff.
Everyone have a great Sunday.
Your Friend,
Bill Hedin
Framingham, MA

[25801wv]

Probstein is not the problem. Don't bid what you can't afford to spend. How could Probstein monitor if the original consigner of his card is also bidding on the same cards with 10,000 auctions a month? As far as I know it is not a requirement for you to list all of your & your families & friends ebay user id's when consigning a card. Probstein (or any other) just needs your name, mailing address, and email address. You do not even have to have an ebay account to consign with Probstein because he is the one that has the ebay account. To me a shill bid would be if Probstein had another secret ebay account and he was shill bidding so he could get the maximum value for his auctions in order to increase his commission. It is impossible to stop the original consigner of the card or there associates from bidding on an auction on ebay that they have an interest in.

The real problem is people thinking because PSA says is a 10 that it is Gem Mint & suddenly worth 10x-100x+ the Nmt/Mt value of a card. If you place a bid in an auction then you should be willing to pay that amount. Do you also care that people subscribe to websites that send there bids in within the last few seconds of an auction?

ES

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by 25801wv

Don't bid what you can't afford to spend.

The real problem is people thinking because PSA says is a 10 that it is Gem Mint & suddenly worth 10x-100x+ the Nmt/Mt value of a card. If you place a bid in an auction then you should be willing to pay that amount. Do you also care that people subscribe to websites that send there bids in within the last few seconds of an auction?

I've never bid more than I could afford, but if someone inflated my payment through nefarious means, why should I tolerate that?

I agree that paying high prices for PSA 10s can be foolish for a number reasons - mainly because of the subjectivity in grading and there are probably many equally as nice cards graded PSA 9 for a fraction of the price.

I have no problem with sniping. It keeps people, especially shill bidders, from running me up if they knew I was an aggressive bidder.

Please make your profile public. Thanks for posting.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

I've never bid more than I could afford, but if someone inflated my payment through nefarious means, why should I tolerate that?
.

So you can enjoy the hobby more?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by 25801wv

How could Probstein monitor if the original consigner of his card is also bidding on the same cards with 10,000 auctions a month?

I'm not going to argue whether or not Probstein knew his consignors were shilling their own auctions. I can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. Either way, ignorance is no excuse. However, here is the bottom line: NOW, HE KNOWS! He's been made aware of the fact. How he handles the situation from here will tell us everything we need to know about his character. So far, I've only heard crickets.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

i'm not going to argue whether or not probstein knew his consignors were shilling their own auctions. I can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. Either way, ignorance is no excuse. However, here is the bottom line: Now, he knows! He's been made aware of the fact. How he handles the situation from here will tell us everything we need to know about his character. So far, i've only heard crickets.

man please, get a life!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

man please, get a life!

Hello, Kevin

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm not going to argue whether or not Probstein knew his consignors were shilling their own auctions. I can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. Either way, ignorance is no excuse. However, here is the bottom line: NOW, HE KNOWS! He's been made aware of the fact. How he handles the situation from here will tell us everything we need to know about his character. So far, I've only heard crickets.

I assume the last thing he will do is post his response on this Board.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

i assume the last thing he will do is post his response on this board.

he does not need to post any response on this board. Accusations were made by david james without any proof. If david james is certain that this has been going, where is the proof?? You don't accuse someone of something purely on speculation. Alot of this quite frankly sounds like sour grapes to me.....

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

i'm not going to argue whether or not probstein knew his consignors were shilling their own auctions. I can't prove he did, you can't prove he didn't. Either way, ignorance is no excuse. However, here is the bottom line: Now, he knows! He's been made aware of the fact. How he handles the situation from here will tell us everything we need to know about his character. So far, i've only heard crickets.

here is the post

Originally Posted by 25801wv

Probstein is not the problem. Don't bid what you can't afford to spend. How could Probstein monitor if the original consigner of his card is also bidding on the same cards with 10,000 auctions a month? As far as I know it is not a requirement for you to list all of your & your families & friends ebay user id's when consigning a card. Probstein (or any other) just needs your name, mailing address, and email address. You do not even have to have an ebay account to consign with Probstein because he is the one that has the ebay account. To me a shill bid would be if Probstein had another secret ebay account and he was shill bidding so he could get the maximum value for his auctions in order to increase his commission. It is impossible to stop the original consigner of the card or there associates from bidding on an auction on ebay that they have an interest in.

The real problem is people thinking because PSA says is a 10 that it is Gem Mint & suddenly worth 10x-100x+ the Nmt/Mt value of a card. If you place a bid in an auction then you should be willing to pay that amount. Do you also care that people subscribe to websites that send there bids in within the last few seconds of an auction?

ES

You forgot the rest of your name. Initials don't work. Simple rules we all have to follow.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

You forgot the rest of your name. Initials don't work. Simple rules we all have to follow.

Leon added his name earlier, but it looks like E.S went in and changed it to his initials. He also changed his name to "why does this matter". I guess he is related to "He Hate Me" and is exempt from basic board rules.

r/
Frank