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[calvindog]

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the criticism here and the fact that some people who are critical here did all they could to shut me up back then.

Doesn't change the fact that bad behavior in this hobby should stop -- and more people should speak up about it instead of burying their heads in the sand for financial purposes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bad behavior should stop -- you won't get any argument from me there.

[calvindog]

Jesus H., about time.

[RobertGT]

I agree with Calvindog. There are far more egregious things to be worrying about in the hobby today than some decade-old SAH clips overhyping modern cards, and here we are 150 posts and counting devoted to it.

I think a lot of the vitriol spilled forth here has a bit to do with a bias on this board against modern cards (you know - the ones with the print runs in the billions). Were they worthless? For the most part, yes. But they were a lot less worthless 12 years ago then they are today. You can still sell a 87 Topps set for $10 today, and in some of the SAH deals you would get 15 factory sets for maybe $150 or so.

As for the story about the gentleman who bought $20K worth of cards worth maybe $2k, that is indeed a terrible situation. But he just as easily could have plowed $20K into creased-up vintage cards that some dealer sold to him at "high book" value. Those also would be worth about $2K. That never happens today right?

For every story about an unknowing guy who paid way too much for SAH stuff, there are 20 to tell about some crafty dealer who scammed a longtime collector's widow out of his lifetime collection for pennies on the dollar - probably days after the guy passed away. Or a story to tell of a dealer putting a "Hi book price" on a card in P/G condition and then telling you are getting a great deal when he gives you 25 percent off.

Indeed, there are far worse things to worry about. So let's get back to some real problems: rampant auction HOUSE BIDDING, eBay scams, rip-off artist dealers and the traveling museums, dealers who refuse to accept eBay as the true market value, Target and Walmart pack searchers, trimmed cards, rebacked cards, artificially aged reprints, reprints in TPG holders, cracked and frosted holders, fly-by-night grading companies, companies that put a "10" on a card in EXMT condition (see BCCG), resealed wax, Craigslist fraud, "Grandpa's attic" sellers, forged autographs, incompetent autograph authentication, shilled eBay auctions, stolen scans, stolen collections and the world's greatest baseball card graded PSA 8 even though it has been trimmed.

And no, I don't work for Ken Goldin nor do I know him personally, but I do love those old clips.

Good luck out there.
Rob

[DerekMichael]

I apologize for interrupting your conversation guys, but I just had to say, post #43 by "Wonka" is hilarious. I remember these guys from when I was a young kid, like it was yesterday. I would watch it back then and just crack up. Priceless.

Ok, I will shut up now and leave the actual argument to the intelligent folks on here.

[drc]

After watching said video, I have to say Don West is impressive. He was the only one there who didn't require a mic.

[chaddurbin]

so everyone is in agreement on at least one thing here--don west live via webcam at goldin headquarter on the closing day to pump up the ending lots?