Wagner??

[jsousa1213]

Any chance this is Warren Gill? I ask this based on the fact that the photo from eBay posted in message #8 appears to have "Gill at Bat" written on the back, Gill did bat in the second game that day as a pinch hitter, and, from the attached photo, he appears to have similar features to the batter, including a large nose and connected earlobes.

On Baseball Reference, Gill is also listed as a right handed batter, but, with only 27 games in his career, I suppose it would be possible that he was actually a switch hitter. Or maybe he sensed that his career was about over and decided to do it for a lark.

Jason

[mordecaibrown]

[QUOTE=jsousa1213;1024592]Any chance this is Warren Gill? I ask this based on the fact that the photo from eBay posted in message #8 appears to have "Gill at Bat" written on the back, Gill did bat in the second game that day as a pinch hitter, and, from the attached photo, he appears to have similar features to the batter, including a large nose and connected earlobes.

This seems like a reasonable question/assumption. Bresnahan is correctly listed on the back of the photo, so is there any reason to doubt that this is Gil batting?

I think it is a reasonable enough question that at the very least Gil needs to be eliminated.

Nice catch on that writing on the bottom of the photo - I only looked at the back briefly.

[bmarlowe1]

What's funny is that I identified Gill in that photo posted above for Library of Congress, but at this point I can't say whether the batter is or is not Gill. I have another nice clear shot of Gill from the front, but no profiles.

The only way is to try to compare Gill's right ear from the front to the mostly back of the batter's ear. Not easy.

[bmarlowe1]

[Jlighter]

Mark, are you a detective?

[mordecaibrown]

Great work Mark!!! This has been a great thread!

[alanu]

I vote no based on what Mark had to offer, glad I didn't read this thread until now.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

Mark, are you a detective?

-Jake - no I'm not. I haven't even been able to find my cell phone since Tuesday.

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[Bocabirdman]

Based on the latest posts my Mark, (Mark: You have done some intensive work here), I tend to dimiss Wagner as the lefty batter. Did the umpires, back then, rotate around the field from game to game as they do today? If we know they did, then Mark's second picture, logically, must be of the same game. Even if it isn't, the thickness of Wagner vs. the lefty is striking.....just my two cents....

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Great thread, I'm learning a lot!!! No expert, and don't know if it means anything, but the extent of the socks that are showing between the questioned photo (#1) and that of Wagner batting RH (#2) also appears to be quite different which I guess could change during a game.

In photo#1 the length of the socks showing are approximately equal for both legs, whereas in photo#2, Wagner's sock on his right leg appears much shorter than on his left leg.

[bmarlowe1]

[yanks12025]

Great work Mark.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

Outstanding Mark!!! I really admire the time, research, clear discussion of each piece of evidence and scientific approach that you have shared with all of us. The details of the "forensic" process you employed will serve as a useful template for all of us seeking identification in future photos.

Thanks a lot.

Craig