new member introduction

[kengoldin]

part 3.
to tie up some other loose ends
in reply to someone here, I am not involved with any grading company. Do not now nor have I ever owned a grading company. For certain mass market sales in the past I have used services of low budget grading companies to save expenses, in fact the whole reason Beckett came up with the BCCG brand was to get a large portion of my business in 99-2000 era.
Anything in Goldin auctions will be graded by PSA (overwhelming majority) and SGC the rest of the time. no other grading service will be used.

With respect to Don west and Shop at Home, I believe the last time I was on was around 2002 10 years ago. Yes, SAH had an aggressive sales style, and I was one of 6 main vendors they had. All vendors used the same aggressive sales style as that was their format. At the same time, I was on QVC which is well known as a network that has no hype, does not allow values to be stated or claimed, and does not allow a hard sell. I am still occasionally on QVC as I was for their Fenway park 100th anniversary show. If a multi billion $ company like QVC has no issues with me and feels I do a good job for their customers, I am proud of that and I believe that speaks volumes about me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by kengoldin

part 3.
to tie up some other loose ends
in reply to someone here, I am not involved with any grading company. Do not now nor have I ever owned a grading company. For certain mass market sales in the past I have used services of low budget grading companies to save expenses, in fact the whole reason Beckett came up with the BCCG brand was to get a large portion of my business in 99-2000 era.
Anything in Goldin auctions will be graded by PSA (overwhelming majority) and SGC the rest of the time. no other grading service will be used.

With respect to Don west and Shop at Home, I believe the last time I was on was around 2002 10 years ago. Yes, SAH had an aggressive sales style, and I was one of 6 main vendors they had. All vendors used the same aggressive sales style as that was their format. That is how it was done at SAH. At the same time, I was on QVC which is well known as a network that has no hype, does not allow values to be stated or claimed, and does not allow a hard sell. I am still occasionally on QVC as I was for their Fenway park 100th anniversary show. If a multi billion $ company like QVC has no issues with me and feels I do a good job for their customers, I am proud of that and I believe that speaks volumes about me.

"That is how it was done"?? Uh, ok, but did you not benefit from "how it was done?" More importantly, do you acknowledge it was problematic, or are you defending it, it's hard to tell?

[kengoldin]

Peter: Did not want to reply individually, but will inthis case and hope my 4 lengthy posts otherwise speak for themselves. in no way am i defending the practice or the era, and since then I have had 2 daughters and wish you tube didnt have gag reels of me calling into SAH. But it is a part of my past, we all know it, and move on. I believe the direction I have chosen with the auction house, as well as the good policies, procedures, and most importantly, great product sold in an honest fashion will over time outweigh all. I want the chance to prove myself and hope open minded people who know my 34 years as a hobbyist and my contacts and knowledge will allow me to prove myself to them

[Peter_Spaeth]

Thank you for the clarification.

[shelly]

Ken three words always said by new houses. Honest,Loyal and Prompt.
Why now Kenny. We have talked about certs for years and now you show up. Guess you want us to believe really care. Have anything to do with your new venture?

[kengoldin]

I PMed but will reply. As i said in my first message (foolish me) I was unaware of the existance of Net54 until someone saw me at the National and told me I should join. Monday of this week i signed up for an account.

[RobertGT]

I think Ken Goldin has stated his objective clearly and with good intentions, and should be given a chance to promote his new venture. Any auction house that is willing to say "no house bidding" on the record is already starting off with more credibility in my book than many of the multimillion-dollar auction houses already out there that refuse to talk about it, but secretly engage in this deceitful practice. Some other points:

- The Scoreboard name has always held weight in autograph collecting circles, even long after the company folded. The company was legit with autographs. That says something about Goldin. Their certs were easy to photocopy or use to accompany non-Scoreboard merchandise with fraudulent sigs. That's an important distinction.

- Yes Don West used to over-hype worthless stuff you didn't need. So does ever other TV huckster or Bill Mays-esque pitchman trying to sell a glorified blender for $149.99 today. That's what they do. When I used to work the night shift years ago, I came to appreciate the great comedy and energy to be found in the Don West sports shows and the crazy banter with Goldin. I'm sure some people took it seriously and bought this stuff, but to me it was great late-night comedy and nothing more. It really is buyer beware and do your research with any Shop At Home program.

Just my humble opinion.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by kengoldin

I PMed but will reply. As i said in my first message (foolish me) I was unaware of the existance of Net54 until someone saw me at the National and told me I should join. Monday of this week i signed up for an account.
As far as my post on the certificates, and SB...'why now' it isnt a 'why now' it is something I have been doing and fighting helping various law enforcement agenecies and 'hobby policemen' since 1998. I did not go out and post this info, quite frankly because there were on going investigations and still are on going investigations into people committing the forgery crime i mentioned above. However, in light of comments I read here today, i felt that 'today' was a good time to inform...and if a certain agency gets mad at me for doing so, i guess i will deal with those consequences.

Ken if your really involved in a ongoing investigation why would you jeopardize it by revealing it here?
If Wayne Brey had done what you just did, they wouldn't have been an Operation Bullpen and I wouldn't be called a Felon. Everyone would have closed shop and headed for a foreign country, including myself.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by kengoldin

With respect to Don west and Shop at Home, I believe the last time I was on was around 2002 10 years ago. Yes, SAH had an aggressive sales style, and I was one of 6 main vendors they had. All vendors used the same aggressive sales style as that was their format. That is how it was done at SAH. At the same time, I was on QVC which is well known as a network that has no hype, does not allow values to be stated or claimed, and does not allow a hard sell. I am still occasionally on QVC as I was for their Fenway park 100th anniversary show. If a multi billion $ company like QVC has no issues with me and feels I do a good job for their customers, I am proud of that and I believe that speaks volumes about me.

Ken, no offense don’t blame Shop at Home for your past sales tactics. You know that the way you sold those items was right up there with the Wild West snake oil salesman of old. As for twisting that QVC is in some way endorsing you personally they are not and you should know that.

Ken I sell close to every major retailer in the world QVC included. These folks are business people if they are making money with you they are happy. Them doing business with you is not an endorsement of your integrity or character, but more of an endorsement of a successful and mutual business agreement I think the folks at QVC would agree.

Cheers,

John

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Ken, no offense don’t blame Shop at Home for your past sales tactics. You know that the way you sold those items was right up there with the Wild West snake oil salesman of old. As for twisting that QVC is in some way endorsing you personally they are not and you should know that.

Ken I sell close to every major retailer in the world QVC included. These folks are business people if they are making money with you they are happy. Them doing business with you is not an endorsement of your integrity or character, but more of an endorsement of a successful and mutual business agreement I think the folks at QVC would agree.

Cheers,

John

John,
I think the point was that the items sold very successfully @ QVC also, where none of the objectionable behavior from SAH occurred.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Deertick

John,
I think the point was that the items sold very successfully @ QVC also, where none of the objectionable behavior from SAH occurred.

"If a multi billion $ company like QVC has no issues with me and feels I do a good job for their customers, I am proud of that and I believe that speaks volumes about me."

Not quite Jim M? See above. This is what I was addressing from Ken.

Also so they sold at QVC...does that discount the fact that they may have sold goods with snake oil across the street? I think not.

I go back to an old saying one of my first mentors told me about sales. Just because you put icing on a dog turd doesn’t make it now chocolate cake don’t insult your future customers intelligence, by spinning the angle to suit your needs.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

For me I have no beef with Ken on a personal level. He has all the rights to open a business and change direction. However as I said prior knowing the past sales tactics displayed by Ken I think he has a bit of an uphill battle.

Knowing how I view those past sales practices it’s not somebody I look to do considerable business with in terms of my collecting. I would think that other future buyers and consignors would take this into consideration before consigning significant items or buying significant items.

Perhaps I’m alone and that’s ok with me.

Cheers,

John

[Peter_Spaeth]

"What's past is prologue."

[David R]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

For me I have no beef with Ken on a personal level. He has all the rights to open a business and change direction. However as I said prior knowing the past sales tactics displayed by Ken I think he has a bit of an uphill battle.

Knowing how I view those past sales practices it’s not somebody I look to do considerable business with in terms of my collecting. I would think that other future buyers and consignors would take this into consideration before consigning significant items or buying significant items.

Perhaps I’m alone and that’s ok with me.

Cheers,

John

+1

[cobblove]

This has been an intersting read.
The only way I relate to this was when I was 12 years old and I collected vintage cards at the time. It was when I first got more into the old stuff. Well I used to watch the Home S net and would always laugh at the prices and thought only an idiot would buy that stuff. Well the day came where my loving grandma bought me some kind of box that guaranteed a Mickey Mantle my grandma said. I knew where she got the box from but I didnt want to be rude and say you got ripped off. I thanked her and took it home. It had a mantle alright. A reprint. Whooopiee. It just akes me thinking someone took her for 90.00 on a pile of junk. She bought it because she knew I collected cards. It just gives me a sick feeling in my stomach thinking about it. I for one will not bid at this auction house because of that feeling.