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[kengoldin]

I am going to write a few posts addressing different subjects that have been mentioned here. I am asking each of you not to interrupt the posts by posting in between . I am not going to be answering things publicly piecemeal, or on the public boards after this. Legitimate questions that I feel are simply not mud slinging, I will reply to if I see them. My PM is always open to questions and I invite you to PM me if I can be of any assistance, as is my email, ken@goldinauctions.com

1. Score Board inc(SB) and autographs. SB was the first company to mass market sports autographs, and to sign athletes to long term deals. All autographs signed for SB were witnessed and affidavits were signed by the athletes attesting to the fact they personally signed xx items on xx date. Each item came with a certificate of authenticity from SB. at the time (1989) this was a revolution in the industry, and put autographed memorabilia on the TV shopping networks, JC penny catalog, Sharper Image, Sams clubs, and more.
Unfortunately, the technology back then was not where it was in the late 90s to today. There were instances of customers from QVC and elsewhere taking a fake autograph, coupling it with a real cert, and trying to sell it as authentic with a SB cert. SB went after these people when brought to its attention and I have articles from 20 years ago in my possession talking about this.
In addition, there were instances of people, while SB was still in business, counterfeiting SB certs and trying to pass off fake autographs and fake SB certs as real certs. Again, there are court cases to this effect and I have articles on how SB busted people with uncut sheets of fake SB certs at the printer.
around 92-93 to combat these problems SB started marking its autographed items with a mark that was detectable under UV light. In addition, it began to mark its certs with a hidden water mark as well. 100% of the certs that are REAL and have the name 'ken goldin' have this mark. If it does not have the mark, and has the facsimile of Ken goldin, it is a fake cert. SB did not publicize this fact because it wanted to stay 1 step ahead of the forgers. It told its customers but did not point out where the water mark was, it what it was. I have , however, made dealers and press (example an interview i did with TJ Schwartz 2 years ago where he mentioned that SB certs and items were marked...but did not mention where or how) are of this.

Once SB filed for bankruptcy in April 1998, and once they ceased operations totally in 1999, there have been a flood of fake autographs and fake SB certs hitting the markets. The forgers, with the knowledge there is no one to sue them or go after them, have used what good will the SB had left in the autograph industry, to sell their fake items with a fake SB cert on the unsuspecting buyer.

I have spent the past 10 years working law enforcement and hobby members to police the industry of these forgeries. I have worked with others in the industry to try to make people aware of fakes, clean up EBAY, as well keep people informed of what an athlete signed under his SB contract. I have personally contacted well over 200 EBAY sellers DIRECTLY with respect to an item that they are selling with an SB cert that I know is fake, or in many cases was not even an item that the athlete signed under his contract (ie: Mickey mantle never signed a single bat for SB, not even ONE for me personally...and i asked him!). It is very sad to me that some newer collectors are sold an autograph item with a Sb cert, find out from PSA or JSA it is no good, and then mistakenly think SB sold fake autographs. The fact is, the cert is likely NOT a real SB cert, and the item is not an SB item.
I am happy to make myself available to members of this community to send me images or ask me questions about athlete contracts and who signed what and make educated purchase decisions. As a result of all this, it is imperative that if you want to re sell anything with a supposed SB cert, you pretty much need to go to JSA or PSA, unless you are selling to experts like Mill Creek who trust their own judgement.

[WindyCityGameUsed]

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FROM POST #223

"I have spent the past 10 years working law enforcement and hobby members to police the industry of these forgeries. I have worked with others in the industry to try to make people aware of fakes, clean up EBAY, as well keep people informed of what an athlete signed under his SB contract"

Maybe its time 2 work with law enforcement again in regards to cleaning up the hobby sum more?

[WindyCityGameUsed]

The first paragraph of this article explains a few things


http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/...ctionscom.html

[WindyCityGameUsed]

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[botn]

Originally Posted by WindyCityGameUsed

The first paragraph of this article explains a few things


http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/...ctionscom.html

Boy does it ever...

Ken Goldin can trace his sports memorabilia empire back to when he was 12 years old and fleeced a buddy out of his baseball card collection – swapping $50 worth of miniature racing cars for thousands of dollars worth of cards.

Goldin insists neither of them knew the value of what they were trading.

Even at the early age of 12 he was taking it to people. Did not matter that it was a friend. I guess Ken would tell us that is just the way it was done back then.

[dhernandez]

Its interesting that a person would plead his case publicly like this and it comes back and bites him in the a$$. Shades of Justice Robert Bork during confirmation hearings. In all honesty I did not know this thread existed and kind of shocked that Big Boss Kenny would take his case to the public airwaves. Amazing how he tries to rationalize his past indiscretions as how things were. So were we suppose to hand out that free pass? I guess some did. What about now in light of the recent findings? SMH

[Leon]

Originally Posted by dhernandez

Its interesting that a person would plead his case publicly like this and it comes back and bites him in the a$$. Shades of Justice Robert Bork during confirmation hearings. In all honesty I did not know this thread existed and kind of shocked that Big Boss Kenny would take his case to the public airwaves. Amazing how he tries to rationalize his past indiscretions as how things were. So were we suppose to hand out that free pass? I guess some did. What about now in light of the recent findings? SMH

Since I posted Goldin Auctions was an advertiser, as the second post in the thread, I guess I should also say that as of today they are no longer an advertiser here.

I should add this wasn't any type of punitive decision. It's only best they don't advertise and both parties are in agreement.

[Goudey]

The best part of this vintage thread is shill bidders attacking other shill bidders and vice versa.

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by dhernandez

Its interesting that a person would plead his case publicly like this and it comes back and bites him in the a$$. Shades of Justice Robert Bork during confirmation hearings.

This is a vintage baseball card website and most of us think it's good form to leave our politics at the door--whether about Judge (not "Justice") Bork or Verizon or the evils of capitalism or whatever. This Board is replete with highly informed people right, left and center who have enough respect for others to leave gratuitous partisan and ideological jibes to other venues. Thanks for your consideration.

[WindyCityGameUsed]

Originally Posted by sreader3

This is a vintage baseball card website and most of us think it's good form to leave our politics at the door--whether about Judge (not "Justice") Bork or Verizon or the evils of capitalism or whatever. This Board is replete with highly informed people right, left and center who have enough respect for others to leave gratuitous partisan and ideological jibes to other venues. Thanks for your consideration.

You seriously want to try and deflect while lecturing people on what they should and shouldn't be discussing on a OPEN Forum?

This as you are well aware of has absolutely nothing to do with politics and everything to do with relevent past on the record boastful comments and in the news court documents that many individuals apparently don't have the courage or decency to address by going on the public record for fear of reprisal.

Yes this board is esteemed and much of the conversation is in regards to vintage baseball cards but this hobby as your well aware of has other venues as evidenced by the memorabilia/game used section at the top of this site.

The entire hobby has been and continues to be negatively effected by yet ANOTHER SCANDAL and the lack of integrity/ethics by many of its key players.

If you want to talk about the facts of this discussion than fire away but if your on some PC discounting agenda you might be better served heading to Washington and hanging with the rest of the politicians.

The wheels of justice turn slow but in time we will all get to watch many more self important individuals in the industry do their own version of the perp walk