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[Peter_Spaeth]

There is also a question of redemption cards being offered when Scoreboard was on the verge of bankruptcy and knew the cards would never be redeemed, but perhaps that too post-dated Ken's involvement, I don't know.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is also a question of redemption cards being offered when Scoreboard was on the verge of bankruptcy and knew the cards would never be redeemed, but perhaps that too post-dated Ken's involvement, I don't know.

Ken and I were just now on the phone and he is stuck in traffic and traveling today. He said he WILL respond concerning the redemption's but reiterated the issue was after he was gone. Also, I cut and pasted what he wrote in a thread on the memorabilia side below. It addresses some of the COA issues......As I said, he said he will try to respond to questions later this evening but is out of pocket till then..



My favorite players was NEVER a partner of the Score Board inc.
My favorite players NEVER supplied autographs to the Score Board inc.
My Favorite players was a vendor of framing services for SB from approximately 1989-90 until SB purchased their own company California Gold and moved it on site to have better control of the product and better pricing.
Score Board inc sued My Favorite Players in the past for selling forged autographs of players The Score Board inc had under contract, and the owners of My Favorite Players signed a consent decree that they NEVER would sell autographs again of many athletes the score board had under contract, including Mickey Mantle, Ted WIlliams, Joe Dimaggio, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Wayne Gretzky,etc.
It has been brought to my attention in the past that the former owners of MFP claimed they 'won a lawsuit against SB and were given millions of $$ in inventory' Not only is this completely false, but since SB was a publicly held company if there was a shred of truth to it , it would have been part of financial statements (public record) and was not.
I will also say that in the past there have been numerous attempts by individuals and companies to counterfeit SB certs. unfortunately,many were successful in making good copies as the product was distributed prior to the advent of holograms, dna marking, etc.
I would say buyer beware, and out of respect to this community, I offer my services to answer any questions you have about merchandise in PM, and will also look at items for you in PM as long as i do not get overwhelmed.




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[botn]

Hey Leon,

There is plenty of info out there about Goldin pushing truly worthless cards in disreputable TPG holders to unsuspecting or less sophisticated buyers through Home Shopping. He and Don would banter back and forth about how rare a particular card was. Was always a hot modern athlete like Michael Jordan, Ken Griffey, Tiger Woods, etc to get people excited and the cards were always off brand issues. They would price the cards at some absurd level playing off of the current prices realized of those players true rookie cards that were graded by a legit grading company. Really sleazy stuff.

I do not know the timing of Scoreboard and the extent of Goldin's involvement with the bogus LOAs for the phony signed material but it is interesting that only now he is offering a service to this community to answer questions and look at Scoreboard items. What about the rest of the collectors who do not post here and why did he not do something in this capacity soon after it was discovered the items with his company's name on it were bad?

Goldin has nothing to worry about. No crime or fraud is too great to scare away potential bidders. If you have something they want they do not care what you have done or who you have done it to. Goldin Auctions will be huge!

[Leon]

Hey Greg
I don't put hawking almost worthless cards for good money in the same category as some other things. Not a great strategy but not illegal. Not a lot different than some ebay sellers . As long as no absolute fraud was committed I am willing to let the Home Shopping Network stuff go. To each their own though.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Greg
I don't put hawking almost worthless cards for good money in the same category as some other things. Not a great strategy but not illegal. Not a lot different than some ebay sellers . As long as no absolute fraud was committed I am willing to let the Home Shopping Network stuff go. To each their own though.

If he did that, it doesn't reflect highly on his integrity, in my opinion. A lot of gullible folk out there, and it's wrong to take advantage of them.

[botn]

Exactly my point, Peter.

Leon, I was not saying it was illegal but coupled with the redemption cards and the phony signed material does not put Goldin in the best of light, correct?

His history in the hobby is not that of someone who can be trusted based on the information that is out there. And I disagree with you that what he and Don did on HSN is akin to that of what some eBay sellers do. Feel free to give me some examples, even privately, so maybe I can see your point. What was done on HSN was really nothing short of taking advantage of people who were less informed about hobby issues than those who are shopping on eBay. I don't think praying on someone's lack of knowledge is a level playing field. I know you would not stoop to operating in that fashion.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

Exactly my point, Peter.

Leon, I was not saying it was illegal but coupled with the redemption cards and the phony signed material does not put Goldin in the best of light, correct?

His history in the hobby is not that of someone who can be trusted based on the information that is out there. And I disagree with you that what he and Don did on HSN is akin to that of what some eBay sellers do. Feel free to give me some examples, even privately, so maybe I can see your point. What was done on HSN was really nothing short of taking advantage of people who were less informed about hobby issues than those who are shopping on eBay. I don't think praying on someone's lack of knowledge is a level playing field. I know you would not stoop to operating in that fashion.

Hi Greg
The redemption cards were after he left, according to what he told me. No, the totality of these circumstances is not a great light to be in, agreed.

Until I see something where fraud was committed I am not as concerned as a few on this board including yourself. As far as disagreeing with me, no problem there. If someone has a card on ebay for $1000 and they bought it the day before for $20, to me, it's similar. Maybe not exactly the same but similar. This capitalist world we live in is always caveat emptor. And lastly, no, I don't see me being that guy on HSN screaming at the top of his lungs. Heck, I am still hoarse from the Dinner at the National. I couldn't handle all of that screaming.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hey Greg
I don't put hawking almost worthless cards for good money in the same category as some other things. Not a great strategy but not illegal. Not a lot different than some ebay sellers . As long as no absolute fraud was committed I am willing to let the Home Shopping Network stuff go. To each their own though.

Taking advantage of people for financial gain with misinformation or bloated claims is just as bad as selling a fake jersey IMO.

Regardless of its illegal or not makes no difference to me….sort of like it’s not illegal to lie to old ladies as some televangelist and rob them of cash for prayers and your so called direct line to god.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Taking advantage of people for financial gain with misinformation or bloated claims is just as bad as selling a fake jersey IMO.

Regardless of its illegal or not makes no difference to me….sort of like it’s not illegal to lie to old ladies as some televangelist and rob them of cash for prayers and your so called direct line to god.

Well stated. Hopefully this will be addressed, assuming it happened.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well stated. Hopefully this will be addressed, assuming it happened.

See for yourself above...