Wagner??

[mordecaibrown]

Mark -

A picture is worth a 1000 words - no idea why I didnt do this in the first place. I made a circle in both pics to illustrate where I was discussing. To me in the known photo of Wagner there looks like there is no skin here - just open space; however, in the left handed batter it appears that skin folds down at this point.

You did understand my point correctly about the lobe. The various angles of these pics definitely make it tough to compare.

I also included another pic I had of Fred Clarke, I tried to blow it up. To me, his ear looks more similar to the left handed batter and the nose looks similar to the left handed batter.

Interesting discussion.

Andy

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by mordecaibrown

Mark -
To me in the known photo of Wagner there looks like there is no skin here - just open space; however, in the left handed batter it appears that skin folds down at this point......
I also included another pic I had of Fred Clarke, I tried to blow it up. To me, his ear looks more similar to the left handed batter and the nose looks similar to the left handed batter.
Andy

My response to the "open space" question is below. I used an image of Wagner where the ear details aren't lost in shadow.

You used the same pic of Clarke that I used (yours is colorized).

[smokelessjoe]

Mark,

Is there a way to measure the width of the sideburns or the distance from ear to sideburn etc. I know this would not be an exact science because people could trim how they want to etc.

Just curious if this is something you have ever done or is even worth trying?

The width of the sideburns matchup in some of the photos and different in others...

[bmarlowe1]

Shawn - I don't see a way for that to help. The sideburns seem consistent between the batter and the Wagner images, that's all I can say.

[sayhey24]

Very interesting thread with a lot of good opinions both ways.
I'm torn -- many of the facial features do look like Wagner's, but I keep coming back to the body -- the calves and shoulders just look too small to be Wagner's.

One point that I haven't seen raised is this -- do we know for sure that the catcher is Bresnahan? If the person who wrote on the back has the catcher identification correct, why would we be so quick to dismiss the hard-to-read batter identification?

Greg

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by sayhey24

Very interesting thread with a lot of good opinions both ways.
I'm torn -- many of the facial features do look like Wagner's, but I keep coming back to the body -- the calves and shoulders just look too small to be Wagner's.

One point that I haven't seen raised is this -- do we know for sure that the catcher is Bresnahan? If the person who wrote on the back has the catcher identification correct, why would we be so quick to dismiss the hard-to-read batter identification?

Greg

Look at the image of negative on loc site. They state date and bres

[bmarlowe1]

You can do a reasonable ear match of the catcher to Bresnahan.

Also, the upper deck facade is pre-1909, and the catcher's socks match the Giants 1908 socks in the HoF uniform database, for what it's worth.