Wagner??

[Wite3]

He means the way the socks are worn...some players wore their pants longer, socks down, etc.

Joshua

PS I vote not wagner...sure with I could read the inscription...sul at bat still does not make sense because sullivan is a righty also.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Wite3

He means the way the socks are worn...some players wore their pants longer, socks down, etc.

Joshua

PS I vote not wagner...sure with I could read the inscription...sul at bat still does not make sense because sullivan is a righty also.

I am trying to be objective(seeing as I have the photo). I would obviously love it to be Wagner(no doubt). I definitely see nothing that disputes it being Wagner other than simple opinions. The biggest arument is the batter's build(not sure it is off). Everyone has their opinion but I am sure SABR had some reasoning why they deemed it Wagner.

As far as the writing on the back goes, I crossed that to everyone batting in those two games and nothing makes sense. Therefore, I dismiss it completely as anyone in culver after it was taken could have guessed/made a mistake etc. Again, the Library of Congress doesn't even say who it is. It would have been much easier if the names would have been engraved in the negative like many of the BAINS. Oh well.. the controversy continues. Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions.

[mordecaibrown]

Personally, I think it looks like Fred Clarke. Clarke batted left handed and was on the Pirates in 1908 (in my experience - the simplest and most likely answer is usually the right one).

I have included a picture of Clarke batting (unfortunately - it is from his front side). To me the stance looks the same as the original photo - left arm tucked in, leg position, and he has a prominent nose as well.

I hope it can be proven to be Wagner for the owner - that would be a cool item.

But in my opinion its Fred Clarke.

Andy

[Mark]

Originally Posted by mordecaibrown

Personally, I think it looks like Fred Clarke. Clarke batted left handed and was on the Pirates in 1908 (in my experience - the simplest and most likely answer is usually the right one).

I have included a picture of Clarke batting (unfortunately - it is from his front side). To me the stance looks the same as the original photo - left arm tucked in, leg position, and he has a prominent nose as well.

I hope it can be proven to be Wagner for the owner - that would be a cool item.

But in my opinion its Fred Clarke.

Andy

+1

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

The biggest arument is the batter's build(not sure it is off). Everyone has their opinion but I am sure SABR had some reasoning why they deemed it Wagner.

Having been involved in photo ID for a number of relatively recent SABR publications, I can tell you that in the past SABR has misidentified many photos.

That said, there are a few specific facial similarities between the batter and Wagner that can be pointed out, so it may be him. With the reference photos I have at hand, I can't be sure. Some very clear high quality profiles of Wagner would help.