Heritage Live Auction -- Black Swamp debacle

Leon · #1 08-06-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

heritage would be idiots to not pile on the p.r. for their benefit? but the family is just suppose to take their medicine and be happy they got something?

its always the nice people that get applauded for taking less. why should they get less? it was a missed opportunity. this find is their ONLY chance. heritage will have million dollar bats, jerseys in the future, but this family has this one chance to split up the loot among 20 members.

People say that there are people out there whose lives aren't all about money. but they dont say that about auction houses. why? because auction houses are a business, they are suppose to maximize their profits and people say good for them.

The first thing this family should have done, is to incorporate into a business.

"black swamp find, inc." now they are a business too. and if "black swamp find inc." -as a business- did everything they could to maximize profits for their business, would that NOT be okay then?

people see old ladies and grandpa's and they salivate and lick their chops.

this was a missed opportunity by the family for not taking a little time to hire a couple of graders and consultants independently for their opinions on how to maximize their find on a contingency fee.

they could have turned that honus wagner 10 into a hobby icon. they didn't.

I disagree with you on every single thing you said except the PR piece. What part of "it wasn't about the money to the family" don't you understand? They got less because they actually care about people. You really will never get it. It's just that simple.

calvindog · #2 08-06-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by leon

they got less because they actually care about people.

lol

#3 08-06-2012, 10:05 AM

I was able to speak with the family right after the auction ended. Talk about some down to earth caring individuals. There biggest gain from this whole thing is that it reunited the family and brought bonds closer. It was never about the money or the recognition from the find. It all ended up making the hobby guys happy and the family happy. A win win IMO.

autograf · #4 08-06-2012, 10:20 AM

Bottom line.....on this board, Heritage could not have won. If they'd not disclosed all the cards in the find, they'd have been misleading the public. And while I like the OP and his doggedness on stuff like this, he would likely have been one of the people flaming them for not disclosing everything. If they do as they did and disclaim it, then they're not seeking the most for their clients. Geez....we can't have it both ways, can we?

My personal opinion, which, with $4.00 might buy you a cup of coffee.....is they did it the right way, grading all of them, disclosing the totals of each card and beginning to sell them off in groups at intervals over the next few years. Will the next group bring what that group did? Who knows. I think some of the family members are planning on keeping their groups or near sets from what I heard. So all 700+ may not see the hobby light of day immediately. Some of the people may not need that $150-$200K immediately. The money means a lot to a lot of people but some people may have the sentimentality of keeping something that their grandmother or great grandmother or father put away. Who knows. Like others, I've heard the family is happy with the results. Not sure if that $566K will be split among the 22 or if it was just one person's share or something. I'm sure the financials of it all are complicated and among the family.

Kudos to Heritage for doing it the way they did it.....

I STILL don't particularly like them bidding on their own auctions though as I think that could be fraught with issues. That's another issue for another thread though.....

Peter_Spaeth · #5 08-06-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pup6913

I was able to speak with the family right after the auction ended. Talk about some down to earth caring individuals. There biggest gain from this whole thing is that it reunited the family and brought bonds closer. It was never about the money or the recognition from the find. It all ended up making the hobby guys happy and the family happy. A win win IMO.

The family would have been just as reunited if the cards had gone for more.

T206Collector · #6 08-06-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

lol

You're laughing sarcastically at Leon? Treat the man with some respect. He provides this forum for you to come on here and talk about how brilliant you are.

P.S. It's easy to be brilliant when you can criticize auction houses for disclosing too much and disclosing too little.

calvindog · #7 08-06-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

You're laughing sarcastically at Leon? Treat the man with some respect. He provides this forum for you to come on here and talk about how brilliant you are.

P.S. It's easy to be brilliant when you can criticize auction houses for disclosing too much and disclosing too little.

Actually I was laughing at your blog.

T206Collector · #8 08-06-2012, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

Actually I was laughing at your blog.

Why?

P.S. This is the actual, unedited, and completely original front scroll of your website (that's right, kids, this was intentional). Now everyone can have a good laugh.

T206Collector · #9 08-06-2012, 10:57 AM

By the way, given that you think my blog is such a joke, I figured I would add your website to my signature. That way, people can see what a real website should look like.

calvindog · #10 08-06-2012, 10:59 AM

I like how you posted the congratulatory emails you received from other collectors about the 'interviews' you did of other collectors. That was a nice touch. That and your 'T206 Collectors Forum' which includes such threads as "B/S/T" and "Share Your Collection" and "Show Your Signed T206" and "Grading T206 Cards" and "T206 Forum - Any interest??" Of course, no one but you has ever posted on any of these threads -- and never will.

You're a bit delusional and smug and self-satisfied. Probably not the best guy to be criticizing me for advertising what members of the press have said about me in my pretty damn successful career.

wonkaticket · #11 08-06-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Why?

P.S. This is the actual, unedited, and completely original front scroll of your website (that's right, kids, this was intentional). Now everyone can have a good laugh.

Paul at what point did you figure out it was intentional?

Crazy idea but it’s a business website and as a business he may want to use quotes that others have made about his legal performance to give confidence to perspective new clients. I know what you’re saying crazy and risky move on his part…

Also Jeff wasn't laughing at Leon but laughing in disagreement with Leon’s statement. Leon doesn’t have a problem with anyone disagreeing with him, and doing so isn’t showing a lack of respect for the effort of the site etc. even Leon will tell you that.

Cheers,

John

T206Collector · #12 08-06-2012, 11:09 AM

That forum idea was short-lived. I've been meaning to take it down for some time. Thanks for the reminder. I took it down. Any more helpful tips?

Also, a solo practitioner should, of course, have references to the quality of his work on his website. Nobody would begrudge that. If that was all we had here, I hardly think it would be worth mentioning.

In all honesty, I hope Jeff keeps it up there because it is really pretty funny. I'm thinking of adding the Law&Order theme music and putting it on YouTube to see if we can get it to go viral.

There is a fine line between quality advertising and sharing with prospective clients that this lawyer has an ego the size of Manhattan.

T206Collector · #13 08-06-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Also Jeff wasn't laughing at Leon but laughing in disagreement with Leon�s statement.

It's a snotty way to disagree with someone's statement. I don't think regular board posters should be snotty to Leon.

T206DK · #14 08-06-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

I disagree with you on every single thing you said except the PR piece. What part of "it wasn't about the money to the family" don't you understand? They got less because they actually care about people. You really will never get it. It's just that simple.

Leon, some people will never understand where the family is coming from

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