Wagner??

[jimhopkins82]

Hey, is this the same picture? http://www.retrosnapshots.com/sports...-york-5x7.html

[Runscott]

This is the only comparable 'left side' photo of Wagner I could find, and it resembles Ben's picture a lot:



Also, from a common-sense perspective, it's unlikely a photographer would have set up on this side for a right-handed hitter, especially Wagner - taking a photograph involved more preparation back then, so the photographer would have wanted to be on the correct side. He was probably expecting Wagner to be batting right-handed and got surprised. Given the 'wrong side' set-up, to me that builds a better case for it being Wagner.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Runscott

This is the only comparable 'left side' photo of Wagner I could find, and it resembles Ben's picture a lot:



Also, from a common-sense perspective, it's unlikely a photographer would have set up on this side for a right-handed hitter, especially Wagner - taking a photograph involved more preparation back then, so the photographer would have wanted to be on the correct side. He was probably expecting Wagner to be batting right-handed and got surprised. Given the 'wrong side' set-up, to me that builds a better case for it being Wagner.

Thanks Scott! This is great feedback!! There are a lot of no votes without reasons. I have seen nothing to dispute sabr's findings thus far.

[bobbvc]

Can you scan the back of the photo? Looks like they mention Bresnahan but not Wagner, at least from the scan available on the Ebay listing. Looks like "Sul(?) at bat" below the Culver sticker.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by bobbvc

Can you scan the back of the photo? Looks like they mention Bresnahan but not Wagner, at least from the scan available on the Ebay listing. Looks like "Sul(?) at bat" below the Culver sticker.

Same photo.. The person writing on photo might not have a clue after it was developed. The library of congress doesn't mention anyone either. I have no idea what that word is.. Not sure if the person Who inscribed it did either.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I do not believe the person in the original photo is Wagner. The batter in question has a larger, more egg shaped head. Look at the distance from his ears to the back of his head... Much more than the picture of Wagner above.

[Shoeless Moe]

I vote for Wagner....

looks like a terrible stance, so makes sense it's someone who turned around....any of u play ball and flip to the other side.....that pretty much is your stance.

Although in the old days they had some pretty bad stances.....so....

[Shoeless Moe]

and it looks like the ump & catcher are smirking, maybe laughing cuz Wagner said we are getting swept and I have done nothing from the right side today.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

and it looks like the ump & catcher are smirking, maybe laughing cuz Wagner said we are getting swept and I have done nothing from the right side today.

I can see the catcher kind of smirking, but the ump looks like he's shouting something.

[Mark]

I think the nose belongs to Fred Clarke.

[CW]

I can't decide. It's hard to discern the width of the shoulders because it looks like the batter is twisting his body.

Maybe a clue lies in the socks? Does another pic of Wagner exist with similar socks?

Here's a closer view...

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I do not believe the person in the original photo is Wagner. The batter in question has a larger, more egg shaped head. Look at the distance from his ears to the back of his head... Much more than the picture of Wagner above.

The picture of the head is facing away in the original vs towards the camera in this.. Completely diff angle when viewing the head and ear.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

The picture of the head is facing away in the original vs towards the camera in this.. Completely diff angle when viewing the head and ear.

Yes, I took that into account. The known Wagner is a straight side shot. The unknown is rotated slightly. Not nearly enough to account for difference in head shape, IMO. Look at the difference in how the hat fits the back of his head.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I do not believe the person in the original photo is Wagner. The batter in question has a larger, more egg shaped head. Look at the distance from his ears to the back of his head... Much more than the picture of Wagner above.... The unknown is rotated slightly. Not nearly enough to account for difference in head shape, IMO.....

No - the difference in angle is substantial. It would be very difficult even for a forensic expert meaningfully compare the ear-to-back-of-head distances in those two photos.

[henson1855]

I am not sure if these will help for reference or not but I will post them.