Speaking of Mick...

[jgmp123]

No hard feelings...I am planning on getting the Clemente and money back tomorrow. I am going to offer him a lower amount for the photo only after I show him this forum and go with Jim's idea....do you know if Mineral Spirits would damage the photo?

I gain a nice photo and get this dud off the streets...

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

No hard feelings...I am planning on getting the Clemente and money back tomorrow. I am going to offer him a lower amount for the photo only after I show him this forum and go with Jim's idea....do you know if Mineral Spirits would damage the photo?

I gain a nice photo and get this dud off the streets...

No need to mess around with mineral spirits. If it is Sharpie on a glossy photo, a white art eraser such as Staedtler or Pentel Clic Eraser will take it right off with no damage to the photo.

[yanks12025]

Also why'd topps make a Clemente card two years after he died?

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Also why'd topps make a Clemente card two years after he died?

Brock,

My bad..it was the 1973 Topps...#50

[Clark7781]

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud as I cherish the people's opinion to voiced such in this thread. (Chris, loved your Youtube videos and respect your opinions.)

But in the context of the initial posters' post, the opinion of this borad would dictate if he keeps the autographed photo or not.

I know that if certain people say "no good" I read it as gospel. Chris, you are one of them. But Mr. I-don't-know-anyone-one-on-net54, they might need some more specifics.

So, to help our fellow forumite, from our experts, can you cite specifics why this autograph is no bueno...

Personally, I have a few thoughts as I would be hesitant, so please share yours.

[Mr. Zipper]

This is a textbook, mass produced forgery style sold in great quantity through B&J Collectibles among others. It has slowness throughout and a drawn look. Once your eye keys in on the look of these, they stick out like a sore thumb.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Clark7781

I But Mr. I-don't-know-anyone-one-on-net54, they might need some more specifics.

So, to help our fellow forumite, from our experts, can you cite specifics why this autograph is no bueno...

Personally, I have a few thoughts as I would be hesitant, so please share yours.

Clark,
Many on the board often do not share specifics publicly.
The reason is that crooks read these boards and many don't want to give them any help improving their technique by showing them the keys to the sigs.
Many on here will be more willing to share via PM.

For myself, one of the big things with Mantle, and most other signatures, is flow. Often forgeries have a drawn appearance as opposed to free flowing signature.
Just my 2c.
Best,
Mark

[travrosty]

they are not reading these boards looking for tips... that's a myth.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Clark7781

I don't mean to be a stick in the mud as I cherish the people's opinion to voiced such in this thread. (Chris, loved your Youtube videos and respect your opinions.)

But in the context of the initial posters' post, the opinion of this borad would dictate if he keeps the autographed photo or not.

I know that if certain people say "no good" I read it as gospel. Chris, you are one of them. But Mr. I-don't-know-anyone-one-on-net54, they might need some more specifics.

So, to help our fellow forumite, from our experts, can you cite specifics why this autograph is no bueno...

Personally, I have a few thoughts as I would be hesitant, so please share yours.

Clark, I appreciate the nice comments.

I cannot, of course, speak for anyone else, but to learn autographs is to train your eyes. It really isn't as simple as this is wrong and that is wrong. I can reference formation, slant, etc., and it's not going to be understood by the casual autograph buyer.

It takes time to train your eyes. A lot of time. Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of looking authentic. And it works, because the majority of people who purchase autographs don't know anything about the autographs they are buying.

I would also like to throw in a personal analogy. I was always very good in math, and when I was in 6th grade, they took about dozen of us and threw us in a Geometry class. At the time I was already taking Algebra II in 6th grade, but when I started the Geometry class I just could not figure this thing out. I just didn't get it. Then all-of-a-sudden, three weeks into the Geometry class, it clicked.

With autographs your trained eyes will all-of-a-sudden click. But you have to keep at it. It's not a once-a-week thing.

Look at a 1963 circa Mantle autograph and compare it to a 1990 circa Mantle autograph. The same characteristics are there in both autographs, but only the trained eye will see it.

I hope this helps a little.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Clark, I appreciate the nice comments.

I cannot, of course, speak for anyone else, but to learn autographs is to train your eyes. It really isn't as simple as this is wrong and that is wrong. I can reference formation, slant, etc., and it's not going to be understood by the casual autograph buyer.

It takes time to train your eyes. A lot of time. Forgeries are meant to have the appearance of looking authentic. And it works, because the majority of people who purchase autographs don't know anything about the autographs they are buying.

I would also like to throw in a personal analogy. I was always very good in math, and when I was in 6th grade, they took about dozen of us and threw us in a Geometry class. At the time I was already taking Algebra II in 6th grade, but when I started the Geometry class I just could not figure this thing out. I just didn't get it. Then all-of-a-sudden, three weeks into the Geometry class, it clicked.

With autographs your trained eyes will all-of-a-sudden click. But you have to keep at it. It's not a once-a-week thing.

Look at a 1963 circa Mantle autograph and compare it to a 1990 circa Mantle autograph. The same characteristics are there in both autographs, but only the trained eye will see it.

I hope this helps a little.

I love this response... so very very true.