Mastro and Allen Indicted

[Misunderestimated]

From what I can tell these guys hired fairly big name, and therefore expensive, criminal defense lawyers out here.

Unless they have prior criminal records I would ultimately expect assorted plea agreements that might bring others down and would lead to penalties -- fines and perhaps agreements barring them re-entering the sports memorabilia business for a while or life -- but no real prison time.
What may be brought to light along the way could of course expose them to civil liability if the harmed individuals want to pursue it and that's way the plea agreements are a rather tricky test for the charged parties and their lawyers.

This will become yet another part of the saga of the card, Wagner T206, in general. The specific "altered" card will no longer universally acclaimed as the "best one" -- it will remain the most famous specimen.

T206 Wagners generally will continue to be the "most famous, most valuable, and rarest baseball card" (yes I know its not the rarest by a long shot and that a certain low end Wagner is not more valuable that the highest end of specimen of some other cards but that's the narrative to the outside world)

[calvindog]

I disagree with nearly all of that.

[Misunderestimated]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I disagree with nearly all of that.

That's fine.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by Misunderestimated

From what I can tell these guys hired fairly big name, and therefore expensive, criminal defense lawyers out here.

Unless they have prior criminal records I would ultimately expect assorted plea agreements that might bring others down and would lead to penalties -- fines and perhaps agreements barring them re-entering the sports memorabilia business for a while or life -- but no real prison time.
What may be brought to light along the way could of course expose them to civil liability if the harmed individuals want to pursue it and that's way the plea agreements are a rather tricky test for the charged parties and their lawyers.

This will become yet another part of the saga of the card, Wagner T206, in general. The specific "altered" card will no longer universally acclaimed as the "best one" -- it will remain the most famous specimen.

T206 Wagners generally will continue to be the "most famous, most valuable, and rarest baseball card" (yes I know its not the rarest by a long shot and that a certain low end Wagner is not more valuable that the highest end of specimen of some other cards but that's the narrative to the outside world)

someone will be doing some time in prison for this.....how long, remains to be seen. High priced lawyer or not. Tip of the iceberg most likley

[WhenItWasAHobby]

I was once told by a Federal law enforcement agent that they only indict people when its pretty much a slam dunk of getting a conviction. Of course the Clemens trial proved that wrong, but that could be explained away by relying on Andy Pettite, graduate of advanced studies from the Frank Pentangeli School of Witness Testimony. See training video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90XT5GWlKaE

[calvindog]

I think the idea of a "slam dunk case" is very different from a defense lawyer's perspective.

[E93]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think the idea of a "slam dunk case" is very different from a defense lawyer's perspective.

Can we bring you in as an expert witness on this point?
JimB

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think the idea of a "slam dunk case" is very different from a defense lawyer's perspective.

Very true.

[Boomer]

All three will walk

[calvindog]

Walk where? And one of the 'three' appears to be cooperating with the feds as hinted by his lawyer.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by Boomer

All three will walk

the "perp" walk