T206 Krause Scrap Insane!!

[boneheadandrube]

Originally Posted by atx840

There is no written guideline to scrap, I'm new to collecting and only own a few but here are what I look for.

The first is a handcut card with some sort of major print anomaly. The effort to handcut the junk with millions of perfect cards printed makes no sense, quality control was quite good back then.

There are so many variants to this type, the yellow brown scraps we commonly see, others only missing a few colors but enough to tell right away, test print strips with other players on front(like Johnny's) or back...even some used to test other card types or advertising (lax bitters).

Second is handcut, may or may not have a print anomaly but has a blank back. Maybe these were inserted but again a lot of effort and some have massive borders that would not work well in a pack. Maybe these were a promo sheet. Still not pack worthy, considered scrap. Printing proofs could be included into this group.

Third are the brown Old Mill variant & the 649 over print examples.

Lastly are cards that something slight is missing color wise and they appear to be handcut.....really depends on the card and who is looking at it. These won't grade as a color variant and only authentic.

It's likely these were all discarded, unofficially chopped up and taken home or litterally picked out of the trash.

Johnny please correct or change what you think, you are by far the expert here.

"quality control was quite good back then"
I have to disagree with this, or at least how its worded. Maybe "quality control was decent for its day" would be my thought.

"New ways to collect T206's because of bad quality control back in the day"
-no name cards
-name on top cards
-two name cards
-completely misscut cards
-miscut backs
-wet sheet transfers (ooh lala)
-missing colors

"Traditional ways to collect T206's because of bad quality control back in the day"
-typographical errors
-dirty print plates (Shappe/Nod)
-missing colors (Sweeney "no B on shower cap")

"Future ways to collect T206's with bad quality control for those trying to be different"
-registration so bad it almost looks like a ghost print (you can tell friends it is)
-registration so bad it has a cool "trippy" look to it
-background color faded (you can tell friends its a variation)
-diamond cuts (bling for newer collectors)

To each his own with this set...
GB

[mrvster]

Larry, Steve, Turner, Scott, Erick , Andy, Chris and Scott and all the rest who congradulated me, you guys ROCK!!! call me when you can YOU GUYS KEEP ME GOING!! all awesome people!!

GB:


KRAUSE:
This card really was a great addition to "my circus"(Andy coined this great term i use now).....

These things are almost impossible to find....

Chris had a great explaination, but the one area might need tweeking, GB is right, there was little quality control in the 3 years they were printed(more mistakes in the early run, obvious why).....Thank God, cause poor quality control created 100 year old Chase cards/vintage "inserts"

BUT- SCRAP IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ARENA GB!! NOT like the "normal" errors found within the set....There are prob 100 or more "nodgrases" or missing magenta cards , ect....boring.....


Scrap NEVER, I REPEAT, NEVER made it into the packs to be distributed!!!!!, they were retrieved from the garbage or the print floor(yellow browns, dramatic ghosts , blank backs, ect)...where as "poor quality control cards" made it out to the public via distribution in packs("nodgrass" Magie, factory miscuts,ect)....they are much, much, much less rare than scrap....

SCRAP IS ANOTHER "TYPE" of t206.....each one is essentially a "unique" variation of the normal distributed card, ONE of ONES....THEY ARE SNOWFLAKES IF YOU WIll....You can only own 1 unique Variation, or some may have a twin or two, BUT NOT EXACTLY THE SAMe...

some maybe similiar, BUT NO 2 SCRAP ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!! REpeat...NO 2 SCRAPS ARE EXACTLY THE SAME...

if you own a scrap, your the only one that owns that "particuliar" variation if you will....each scrap is handcut differently.....so even if you have 2 of the similiar types of scrap, NO TWO ARE EXACTLY the same...YOU own then a card no one else is privy to own, thats why i love, cause i always go the alternative route and against the grain....

My point...

try to find another Krause like this, exactly....YOU WONT!!!!they DOnt exist(theoretically more were printed on the sheet, but who knows if anymore survived, and if they did, they might have a different "ghost" on the front, or another varient... SO Krause is....


"the Krause"





My challenge Gb= find two exactly same scraps!!! they wont exist!\


So, each scrap that you own, is 50-60 x RARer than Wagner....12 x rarer than doyle......

my "freaks" essentially constitute a collection that is ONE OF A KIND...no one can own the same, or even similar collection....i own a partial, one of a kind unique t206 set..

Can not be duplicated with all the money in the world.....thats why i might one day consider the wagner trade...cause i could never afford a wags with cash, but a unique t206 set might get me one(been chasing wags since i'm 11 years old, 41 now) 30 year chase going on...

thats why these scraps are not the traditional"error" card caused by poor quality control by the printer, and something simply blocked the "s" in snodgras from being printed, these were created by Printers set up of sheets/ test runs if u will which created Freaky, Phycodelic images on the these historic cards....Inadvertently created SOME OF THE COOLEST CARDS PRODUced...IMHO.....


instead, they are tiny "unique" pieces of art that was accidentally created by an employee at ATC in NYC who was simply doing his job and ironically PIECES OF TRUE GARBAGE BECAME almost priceless(to me and an increasing larger following)....


One man gather what another man spills.....



pieces of "garbage " are now approaching status of some of the rarest cards in our hobby....


This creates competition for me to acquire these cards, but i want to share with others.....enjoy with others.......collectors are starting to realize whats up.....


PHEW


Peace

V

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by boneheadandrube

"quality control was quite good back then"
I have to disagree with this, or at least how its worded. Maybe "quality control was decent for its day" would be my thought.

"New ways to collect T206's because of bad quality control back in the day"
-no name cards
-name on top cards
-two name cards
-completely misscut cards
-miscut backs
-wet sheet transfers (ooh lala)
-missing colors

"Traditional ways to collect T206's because of bad quality control back in the day"
-typographical errors
-dirty print plates (Shappe/Nod)
-missing colors (Sweeney "no B on shower cap")

"Future ways to collect T206's with bad quality control for those trying to be different"
-registration so bad it almost looks like a ghost print (you can tell friends it is)
-registration so bad it has a cool "trippy" look to it
-background color faded (you can tell friends its a variation)
-diamond cuts (bling for newer collectors)

To each his own with this set...
GB

Nicely done.

I've been meaning to write an update to the attached article - at the time it was written, there wasn't as much interest in scraps. I was interested in them from a research perspective - I collected T206's and these cards provided clues as to the origins and 'life' of the set. I never was all that crazy about the wild-looking scraps, as I mainly collect for aesthetics and thought they weren't as great-looking as the executed-as-designed production examples, but I grabbed them and studied them whenever possible. Same for the brown/yellow ones - not a great color combo IMO, but these examples taught us some things.

http://t206themonster.com/Articles.html

[jp1216]

Freaks/Scraps are special to those that collect them. If you have a special interest - no matter what it is - any varieties are neat to obtain.

Congrats on the Krause. I (and many others) will always have an eye out for the true 'freak' collectors... Enjoy.

[mrvster]

Thanks Jon....keep an eye out for me please....and if any other collectors find anything along these lines as Krause at the nation, please give me a heads up if u can
Larry, Turner, Erick, Mike and u know who, gimme a shout this weekend





Scott=

Yor scraps were INSANE.....your one of the ones in 1999 or so that got me hooked on these, Art M., Johnny D, and a few others....

I was super dumb and never bought ALL of them from you!!!!hind sight is 20/20 , because NONE have shown up like those since...., i didn't even get one....the sheet # fact 30 was cool u sold me, killian, and i still have it...

I passed on the downey overprint from you for $750.00......

THAT HAS HAUNTED ME!!

I have asked the buyer over the years, but looks like he s like me


The double stamped sweet cap back Dorner(which is an awesome card altho not scrap) has haunted me...let that go for $400.00

WHAT WAS I THINKN????



Took me ten more years to find another doublle stamped back.....but finally got mcintyre....phew...

I did get the stephens blank back freak also 8 years later....what a wait for that....
I wonder what downey would go now at auction...



DID anyone see the Matty and Wajo Yellow brown pop off at last night on bussinaeus????

MATTY went nuts!!!! my example looks like it was torched, but still unique....y/bs are the most frequently seen scraps with twins....ones usually the beaten up red headed step child

man i'm obsessed


if anyone is not feeling the scrap vibe, please kindly send those examples this way

[mrvster]

Forgot to mention how most of you collectors are so cool

But wanted to shout out to Barry Arnold......one of our many great hobby veterans on this board which i have tremendous respect for and have learned alot from over the years and being part of this great hobby, your a great guy.....

Yes!!! I beleive it is still the greatest hobby when you get to meet such great people like these guys on the board

peace