Will the owner re-slab the Wagner?

[Matthew H]

I also think that the owner shouldn't be able to ask for compensation until the card is re-graded and sold. I don't think it's fair to guess what the card will sell for in an auth slab.

[whitehse]

I almost think this card has become more iconic in the hobby than it was before. Removing from it's current slab would make it nothing more than a "common" Wagner (if that is possible). Everyone knew it was trimmed card before now so removing it from this slab would just ruin the mistique of the card. If and when this card comes on the market I am sure the new price will reflect what is now common knowledge where before there were only whispers of its past.

[Runscott]

Perhaps now that the truth is going to be told 'officially', Mastro will produce a small box containing the Wagner trimmings. If he doesn't , someone will.

[g_vezina_c55]

i vote for a re-grade by SGC

[barrysloate]

I voted for the last choice so it wouldn't get shut out. I know that nothing will change. Idealism and capitalism do not intersect.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I voted for the last choice so it wouldn't get shut out. I know that nothing will change. Idealism and capitalism do not intersect.

I also voted for the last choice, only because it's a legal issue now.

Sincerely, Clayton

[FrankWakefield]

Voted no, the first choice.

The case is criminal, USA v. those defendants. The owner isn't a party. Realistically, the owner can't complain too much about what he bought, he chose to buy it.

Part of the 'charm' of that card is that it is in the first PSA holder... to break it out, something I normally advocate, would reset the card back toward what it was... and a significant component of that card's mystique is what that card has become, not what it was.

Gotta leave it in that plastic crap.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

Voted no, the first choice.


Part of the 'charm' of that card is that it is in the first PSA holder... to break it out, something I normally advocate, would reset the card back toward what it was... and a significant component of that card's mystique is what that card has become, not what it was.

Gotta leave it in that plastic crap.

Very, very well said, Frank. It carries the story of a large part of our hobby with it, both good and bad, and a mystique that makes this particular card a transcendental one, an example that need not adhere or comply with other hobby standards at all.

Always appreciate your posts,

Larry

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Perhaps now that the truth is going to be told 'officially', Mastro will produce a small box containing the Wagner trimmings. If he doesn't , someone will.

And will PSA slab them "AUTH TRIMMINGS"?

[SetBuilder]

No one knows for sure whether it was trimmed or not. What a joke!

Even if it was, who cares...its the best baseball card in the world, trimmed or not.

[christopher.herman]

SGC should slab the Wagner in the PSA slab and label it "AUTH".

[mrvster]

Chris,

LOL

That would be the ultimate scrap!!!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by christopher.herman

SGC should slab the Wagner in the PSA slab and label it "AUTH".

that's ingenious, yes, they should take the wagner, still in the grade 8 psa slab, and slab the entire psa slabbed wagner in a bigger sgc slab, and mark it Authentic/trimmed. Nothing sweeter than that for SGC.

[ruth-gehrig]

+1

Originally Posted by travrosty

that's ingenious, yes, they should take the wagner, still in the grade 8 psa slab, and slab the entire psa slabbed wagner in a bigger sgc slab, and mark it Authentic/trimmed. Nothing sweeter than that for SGC.

[bsuttonosu]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Perhaps now that the truth is going to be told 'officially', Mastro will produce a small box containing the Wagner trimmings. If he doesn't , someone will.

If Topps gets ahold of them they'll probably put them in a 2013 Topps relic card. I can just see a Wagner Cuts Relic being the big pull next year.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Who bought the card?

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Who bought the card?

The owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

The owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks

That is correct. According to this article, the Wagner was to be put on display at Cooperstown and then at the D-Back's ballpark.

http://www.psacard.com/articles/arti...id=6852&type=1

Based on the FBI's indictment, it is therefore implied that the label on the holder is false by PSA's standards. In my opinion the Wagner needs to be reholdered as "AUTH", and PSA needs to be proactive in fixing it and compensating the owner for the monetary loss incurred. The card should not continue to be put on public display as a PSA 8 card in my opinion.

Also if the owner ever plans to sell the Wagner, he really needs to get the grade corrected otherwise he could be setting himself up for making a fraudulent sale unless he discloses the alteration in the sale, but that wouldn't make sense since the owner, not PSA would take the potential financial loss on the sale.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

The owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks

I wonder what all the past owners are thinking right now.....or if they even care

[jefferyepayne]

I hope the value doesn't change at all and it completely wrecks the entire grading system. We need to get back to a time when a card's inherent aesthetics is considered in its price, not just the number on a slab.

jeff

[drc]

I think the owner doesn't get compensation if he believed it was trimmed before he bought it-- irrelevant to what the label says. And I assume most to all recent buyers were knowledgeable about the card. Many hobbyists believing the card is trimmed has been common knowledge for quite a few years to Pre-War collectors and dealers. I don't know, but would guess recent owners purchased the card aware of the prevailing theories it is trimmed.

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

I hope the value doesn't change at all and it completely wrecks the entire grading system. We need to get back to a time when a card's inherent aesthetics is considered in its price, not just the number on a slab.

jeff

Only PSA. I think a lot of us have been waiting to watch them burn for a while. I have at least

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by whitehse

I almost think this card has become more iconic in the hobby than it was before. Removing from it's current slab would make it nothing more than a "common" Wagner (if that is possible). Everyone knew it was trimmed card before now so removing it from this slab would just ruin the mistique of the card. If and when this card comes on the market I am sure the new price will reflect what is now common knowledge where before there were only whispers of its past.

+1

All the best, guys,

Larry