Mastro and Allen Indicted

[calvindog]

I suspect Joe told the Feds the truth about card -- I don't believe he's been charged with lying to a federal officer. I suspect Joe is praying this case doesn't go to trial.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I suspect Joe told the Feds the truth about card -- I don't believe he's been charged with lying to a federal officer. I suspect Joe is praying this case doesn't go to trial.

Whether it does or not PSA has a public relations issue on their hands. They can keep talk off the CU board, but that won't be enough, especially with the National coming up, etc.

[calvindog]

I think you forget you're talking about Joe Orlando. He'd rather eat thumbtacks than tell the truth publicly about that card. In a grand jury under oath? Different story.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I think you forget you're talking about Joe Orlando. He'd rather eat thumbtacks than tell the truth publicly about that card. In a grand jury under oath? Different story.

Doesn't Orlando have a law degree ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T206DK

Doesn't Orlando have a law degree ?

yes

[FrankWakefield]

RUSH2112 should have his name disclosed with his posts, Andrew is correct.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

RUSH2112 should have his name disclosed with his posts, Andrew is correct.

He does now.

[Jay Wolt]

The Wagner was the 1st card PSA graded. I wonder how many current employees (Incl Joe O.) were even at PSA?
So I doub't anyone has 1st hand knowledge of the slabbing.
So perhaps the feds need to talk to Hughes, Rochhi or anyone that was working there 15 years ago or so.

[calvindog]

Just because he doesn't have first-hand knowledge of what happened with the card doesn't mean he's unaware of what occurred. It would be nice for PSA to tell the truth about it publicly. Eventually it will come out and eventually the present owner might want compensation.

[e107collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Just because he doesn't have first-hand knowledge of what happened with the card doesn't mean he's unaware of what occurred. It would be nice for PSA to tell the truth about it publicly. Eventually it will come out and eventually the present owner might want compensation.

Jeff,

Do you know how a situation like that may be handled? If Ken wants his money back for the card, and PSA gives it to him, does he have to turn the card over to PSA at that point? Does he get the money and keep the card?
Just curious.

Tony

[three25hits]

I had a PSA card that was mis-graded. I got full payment, they kept the card.

[ruth-gehrig]

Has everyone already seen this but me?

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's from an old Lipset auction. What about it?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by e107collector

Jeff,

Do you know how a situation like that may be handled? If Ken wants his money back for the card, and PSA gives it to him, does he have to turn the card over to PSA at that point? Does he get the money and keep the card?
Just curious.

Tony

Tony, the owner could theoretically get his money back for his card but not be permitted to keep it as well. Or he could just be paid compensation for the difference in value of an 8 and an AUTH (albeit pristine) Wagner. In either case, Joe would probably have to give up buying hair dye for a few years.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by calvindog

In either case, Joe would probably have to give up buying hair dye for a few years.

Hmmmm. And all this time I thought it was natural.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Just because he doesn't have first-hand knowledge of what happened with the card doesn't mean he's unaware of what occurred. It would be nice for PSA to tell the truth about it publicly. Eventually it will come out and eventually the present owner might want compensation.

Jeff, do you think any of the prior owners have legal recourse ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

The Wagner was the 1st card PSA graded. I wonder how many current employees (Incl Joe O.) were even at PSA?
So I doub't anyone has 1st hand knowledge of the slabbing.
So perhaps the feds need to talk to Hughes, Rochhi or anyone that was working there 15 years ago or so.

I think Steve Rocchi came later, as did Mike Baker and Joe. Probably David Hall is the only holdover.

[T206DK]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Whether it does or not PSA has a public relations issue on their hands. They can keep talk off the CU board, but that won't be enough, especially with the National coming up, etc.

this story will be the talk of the National !