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07-22-2012, 11:39 AM
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I don't know about PSA, but I know SGC will reject for undersize even with a factory cut, and for odd cuts even if they're factory. The miscut size is applied tighter top to bottom than side to side.
It's possible but unlikely that the Orth is cut short which allowed the upper edge to avoid being as worn as the bottom. So rejected as miscut rather than trimmed. (Although it really looks trimmed.) I think you have to indicate that you want the "A" slab. Otherwise it gets returned with the explanation. I'd really like to see both of them include the explanation along with the A grade, to me there's a big difference between EOT, undersize, and odd cuts they don't fell comfortable putting a number on. Steve B 
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07-22-2012, 12:36 PM
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I think that Orth card came with a large top border... then something happened to it, a gouge or something that detracted from the card's appearance. So someone decided to cut that top edge back a bit, more to a normal size. Normally, all 4 sides would wear about equally (I'm talking 'in kid's pocket' normal wear of 100 years ago). That top has been cut since then.
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07-22-2012, 06:07 PM
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That's the most likely thing. I have seen a few worn that way naturally, but just a few and all from the same couple collections.
Without having it in hand I'd have to go with trimmed. Steve B
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07-22-2012, 10:26 PM
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Interesting, maybe oversize at one time, lots of bigger ones got cut down to fit the early pages.
What's the top edge like? It should be slightly rounded on the front and have a bit of a ridge on the back. If not, then it's most likely trimmed. If it looks good then maybe they didn't like the slight angle cut one end and straight on the other? From the few rejects I've sent in it looks like anything that will appear trimmed in the holder gets rejected. I can understand that since it's hard to tell from scans and if it looks like they slab trimmed stuff it's not good for business. (Even though some trimmed stuff gets through anyway) Steve B
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07-24-2012, 11:55 AM
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Hi Mike,
Sorry your thread got hijacked. The Stratton card is from 1935, and the grading companies seem to have trouble with those. Both PSA and SGC appear to consider Worch's as having been issued in 1933 and 1934, although old SCD big books include some from 1935. It is possible that PSA actually researched the card and had doubts once it determined it was not from either 1933 or 1934 (Stratton's only season with St Paul was 1935). Of course, they could have just consulted an outdated checklist too. I mentioned a couple of years ago that the only 1935 cards I have confirmed were of Saints and Millers players, and that it was possible those cards were not issued by Worch at all, but by either the teams or the local newspapers who are credited on the photos. Since I don't follow the set very closely any more, I do not know if others have debunked such a theory or not.
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