New SGC Grading scale updates!!

[travrosty]

so if i had a card that was almost a 5, but not quite, it gets a 4, i sell it to somebody for $300. now that sgc decides they want to give out half grades, he sends it in and it gets a 4.5, he can now sell it to someone else and make more than i did because half grades werent "invented" yet.

when they say that the customer demands it, they mean that a few, well-heeled customers with huge collections demanded it. its all about $$$$.

if sgc were to lose money by implementing half grades, they wouldnt just do it because the customer demands it. they knew they could make more $$$ by doing it, so they did it.

getting a company to do something that make sense even though it wont make them money is hard and almost impossible, look at psa/dna autographs. they know what the right thing to do with autograph authentication, for many years, but they wont implement any changes that are a money loser, even if it is for the betterment of the hobby. they only implement changes that $$$$ and $$$$, for better or worse, and most times worse in my view.

if you agreed with me, then i wouldnt be bitching, its only bitching because we disagree. let's all agree on everything from now on. shake.

[barrysloate]

What happens if you send a card to SGC for a half grade bump, and the grader discovers it was altered and they missed it the first time around? Does the card get downsized, or does it have immunity?

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

What happens if you send a card to SGC for a half grade bump, and the grader discovers it was altered and they missed it the first time around? Does the card get downsized, or does it have immunity?

Excellent question! PSA, has a guarantee that if you resubmit a card, it has the possibility of being upgraded, but not downgraded. SGC would be wise to offer a similar guarantee, but I haven't seen anything suggesting this.

[ullmandds]

"SGC would be wise to offer a similar guarantee, but I haven't seen anything suggesting this. "

I couldn't disagree more with this policy...talk about being all about the money for PSA/SGC?

How many people would resubmit their cards if there was a chance that the grade could go down? Not many!!!!

This change within SGC...while deemed necessary due to PSA doing it...is not going to be good for the hobby in any way shape of form!

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

What happens if you send a card to SGC for a half grade bump, and the grader discovers it was altered and they missed it the first time around? Does the card get downsized, or does it have immunity?

Don't think that scenerio would come up very often. If a card was overgraded to begin with,
the submitter probably wouldn't spend money thinking it would bump.
I'd imagine submitters would be sending in cards that looked high end for the grade.

[markf31]

so if i had a card that was almost a 5, but not quite, it gets a 4, i sell it to somebody for $300. now that sgc decides they want to give out half grades, he sends it in and it gets a 4.5, he can now sell it to someone else and make more than i did because half grades werent "invented" yet.

That situation already existed, you don't think there were SGCs crossed to PSA since PSA implemented half point grades?

[t206hound]

The grading scale page on SGC does not (yet) contain guidelines for what constitutes the new grades: http://sgccard.com/grading_scale.htm

Any ideas? Strictly focus and/or centering? Simply stronger than an "x" but not good enough to be a "y"?

[Leon]

I think the new half grades are a good thing in general for SGC. They needed them to stay competitive. For me personally, I buy cards based on eye appeal and authenticity not a number on a piece of plastic.

[GregMitch34]

Surprised that people say SGC does not have a "grade can't go down" feature. I submitted a Mayo a couple months ago aug a show and stipulated must be same grade or above and they wrote that on order and said that was guaranteed. Unusual?

[ullmandds]

With crossovers...there is no guarantee of a same grade or better cross. I have submitted a handful of psa cards for cross and requested same or better and in all cases cards were returned untouched.

Maybe if SGC already has graded the card...they'd guarantee same grade or better...but then again why would you have resubmitted an SGC card to SGC a few weeks ago before they implemented this new grading scale?

[nolemmings]

Somebody tell me please, does SGC already have a policy that essentially promises your grade can't go down unless you agree? Just put a min grade requirement that's the same as it already graded and at worst you get your card back as failing to meet the minimum grade. Do min grade requirements only apply to cross-overs or are they good for review of SGC already-graded cards as well? If the latter then it seems the submitting party has no risk.

[3-2-count]

And just think, all those over priced BUY IT NOW cards on Ebay that do get the .5 bump just went up in price. Same card, but at a new higher price.
Sorry I just think the whole thing is silly.