New SGC Grading scale updates!!

E93 · #1 07-16-2012, 05:32 PM

Seems like a great idea. There is a much wider range between grades at the lower ends. Makes sense. I am happy to hear they are doing this!

Personally, I think this would be a good time to drop the 100 point scale and just do 1-10 with the half grades. I know they put those on anyway. Why not just keep it simple and in line with what has become an industry standard for grading scales.
JimB

glchen · #2 07-16-2012, 05:36 PM

Sounds like a great idea also. Will there be any way to determine if a card has been graded before these new half grades came out or after? For example, for PSA, you could tell the pre-half grades since the grade and number were on the same line, but after-half grades, they were on separate lines.

travrosty · #3 07-16-2012, 05:39 PM

just like psa, just another opportunity to make more money by sending in cards you already had sent into them the first time, hoping to get a half grade bump, they will have 3/4 grades soon when they need more money.

carrigansghost · #4 07-16-2012, 05:48 PM

Just keep bitching about things that you do not have to do. Don't like a show on TV....Don't watch it. Don't like a new business in town...Don't go. If the collectors want this service, then OK use it. I find my time is better suited to trying to get people back to reality, than complaining about a new service.

Just for general info, I don't get things graded by anyone but me.

Rawn

HRBAKER · #5 07-16-2012, 05:53 PM

Is there a Net54 SGC Grading Special @ the National this year?
Maybe Half Price in honor of Half Grades?

christopher.herman · #6 07-16-2012, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Is there a Net54 SGC Grading Special @ the National this year?
Maybe Half Price in honor of Half Grades?

+1

AndyG09 · #7 07-16-2012, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrigansghost

Just keep bitching about things that you do not have to do. Don't like a show on TV....Don't watch it. Don't like a new business in town...Don't go. If the collectors want this service, then OK use it. I find my time is better suited to trying to get people back to reality, than complaining about a new service.

Well put, Rawn. I dig it.

Best,

Andy

Jaybird · #8 07-16-2012, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrigansghost

Just keep bitching about things that you do not have to do. Don't like a show on TV....Don't watch it. Don't like a new business in town...Don't go. If the collectors want this service, then OK use it. I find my time is better suited to trying to get people back to reality, than complaining about a new service.

Just for general info, I don't get things graded by anyone but me.

Rawn

I find it slightly ironic that you bitch about people bitching about things.

Bicem · #9 07-16-2012, 07:50 PM

It actually does make sense to have them if they have them at the higher end scale, may as well be consistent across the entire grade scale.

Still false precision to me, but that's really any grading scale.

V117collector · #10 07-16-2012, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

just like psa, just another opportunity to make more money by sending in cards you already had sent into them the first time, hoping to get a half grade bump, they will have 3/4 grades soon when they need more money.

+1

Davy_Kangaroo_Jones · #11 07-16-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

just like psa, just another opportunity to make more money by sending in cards you already had sent into them the first time, hoping to get a half grade bump, they will have 3/4 grades soon when they need more money.

This.

E93 · #12 07-16-2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by travrosty

just like psa, just another opportunity to make more money by sending in cards you already had sent into them the first time, hoping to get a half grade bump, they will have 3/4 grades soon when they need more money.

Other than cards where the difference in value between a 2 and 2.5 or 3 and 3.5 is substantial, I doubt there will be a whole lot of resubmits for half grades. I believe they were responding to collector requests.
JimB

carrigansghost · #13 07-16-2012, 08:53 PM

Well, Jason, I tend to comment on people that bitch about things constantly. I again state that I have not sent things to be graded and have no choice in grading companies.

Rawn

sox1903wschamp · #14 07-16-2012, 08:59 PM

Greeeeeat! In reference to the original topic.

Bicem · #15 07-16-2012, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carrigansghost

Well, Jason, I tend to comment on people that bitch about things constantly. I again state that I have not sent things to be graded and have no choice in grading companies.

Rawn

bitching on an internet message board?! now I've seen it all.

travrosty · #16 07-17-2012, 12:13 PM

so if i had a card that was almost a 5, but not quite, it gets a 4, i sell it to somebody for $300. now that sgc decides they want to give out half grades, he sends it in and it gets a 4.5, he can now sell it to someone else and make more than i did because half grades werent "invented" yet.

when they say that the customer demands it, they mean that a few, well-heeled customers with huge collections demanded it. its all about $$$$.

if sgc were to lose money by implementing half grades, they wouldnt just do it because the customer demands it. they knew they could make more $$$ by doing it, so they did it.

getting a company to do something that make sense even though it wont make them money is hard and almost impossible, look at psa/dna autographs. they know what the right thing to do with autograph authentication, for many years, but they wont implement any changes that are a money loser, even if it is for the betterment of the hobby. they only implement changes that $$$$ and $$$$, for better or worse, and most times worse in my view.

if you agreed with me, then i wouldnt be bitching, its only bitching because we disagree. let's all agree on everything from now on. shake.

barrysloate · #17 07-17-2012, 12:18 PM

What happens if you send a card to SGC for a half grade bump, and the grader discovers it was altered and they missed it the first time around? Does the card get downsized, or does it have immunity?

markf31 · #18 07-17-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

so if i had a card that was almost a 5, but not quite, it gets a 4, i sell it to somebody for $300. now that sgc decides they want to give out half grades, he sends it in and it gets a 4.5, he can now sell it to someone else and make more than i did because half grades werent "invented" yet.

That situation already existed, you don't think there were SGCs crossed to PSA since PSA implemented half point grades?

3-2-count · #19 07-16-2012, 09:02 PM

I personally could care less about the half grade system. Eye appeal trumps all regardless of the number that's typed on the flip by some monkey.

Ronnie73 · #20 07-16-2012, 09:11 PM

I believe the half grades are needed but should have been started when the TPG'ers decided to go into business. Hopefully they never follow their coin grading standards. Coins are graded on a 70 point scale and both PCGS(PSA) and NGC(SGC) use single points from 60 to 70. Imagine ten different grades for a PSA 9 (9.0 to 9.9).

tbob · #21 07-16-2012, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

I personally could care less about the half grade system. Eye appeal trumps all regardless of the number that's typed on the flip by some monkey.

+1

#22 07-16-2012, 10:25 PM

I think it's long over due. PSA grades like crap anyways so its pointless to have 1/2 points when it really don't matter. SGC on the other hand is more accurate and thus 1/2 points will allow even better grading accuracy. This is JMO

Robextend · #23 07-16-2012, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

I personally could care less about the half grade system. Eye appeal trumps all regardless of the number that's typed on the flip by some monkey.

+2

markf31 · #24 07-17-2012, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3-2-count

I personally could care less about the half grade system. Eye appeal trumps all regardless of the number that's typed on the flip by some monkey.

+1.5

Matthew H · #25 07-17-2012, 11:02 AM

Wow this is really exciting! I can't wait to spend good money trying to increase the value of my cards by upgrading the plastic!

terjung · #26 07-17-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by markf31

+1.5

now that's funny!

Back when I cared more about the number on the flip than I do now, I always found it a bit odd that there wasn't an 82 / 6.5. Given that they had a 1.5 (SGC 20) and some half grades on the upper end, it makes sense that they'd add the ones in the lower-mid range.

I can only think about Scott's beautiful T206 Wagner when hearing about this news. I'd imagine that card is due for a bump.

vintagetoppsguy · #27 07-16-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by E93

Other than cards where the difference in value between a 2 and 2.5 or 3 and 3.5 is substantial, I doubt there will be a whole lot of resubmits for half grades. I believe they were responding to collector requests.
JimB

Agreed with this. This change mainly affects cards at the lower end of the grading scale and I think most people aren't going to pay money to have their lower end cards re-evaluated. Assuming you get the bump, a half point grade probably won't make that much of a difference in the value of most cards (obviously there will be exceptions) in that grade range.

Yes, this was a response to customer requests. This is different than PSA's half grade implementation. PSA's half point change was profit driven. Their review special that immediately followed their new change proved that.

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