Sen. Russell's collection incl. Doyle error & Ty Cobb back

[atx840]

Nice update Ted. Although several Cobb/Cobb cards show signs of tobacco staining.

I find it difficult to believe that a 13-15 year old kid by chance collected the two rarest T206s, are there no indications that he continued to collect in his later years?

[tedzan]

He was sort of problem to his parents (scholastically) as a teenager. So, his parents sent him off to a strict Military school in 1911. My understanding
is that his BB card collecting days ceased there. Simply because his smoking habit was suspended while there.

Regarding the tobacco staining that has been reported on some of the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb cards....I don't think we know for certain that it was due to
cards being inserted in the Ty Cobb Tobacco tin.

The Ty Cobb Tobacco was for chewing, pipe smoking, etc. All of which could have been the cause of the staining by the card's owners.


TED Z

Is it possible the cards were handed out to the purchaser and they put them in the tin for safe keeping during transport??

[Jaybird]

Interesting thread.

I guess I'd like to know the detail about how you concluded that the collection was archived until 1983. How do we know he didn't revisit these cards during his lifetime?

I realize that they all (except the Cobb) had Pied350 backs but another explanation might have been that he only liked to collect Piedmont 350.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Jaybird

Interesting thread.

I guess I'd like to know the detail about how you concluded that the collection was archived until 1983. How do we know he didn't revisit these cards during his lifetime?

I realize that they all (except the Cobb) had Pied350 backs but another explanation might have been that he only liked to collect Piedmont 350.

Jason

It wasn't a matter that...."he only liked to collect Piedmont 350" cards. The timeline (1910-11) of when he started smoking as a teenager the available brand in his area
of Georgia was Piedmont cigarettes. He pulled 1000's of cards from the Piedmont and Old Mill (red border) packs that he purchased.

His distant relative was selling off his 100's of duplicates back in 2008 and I bought about 40 of them.

The collection of his on display at the U of GA consists of 497 different T206's.....another 500+ cards including T205's and T210's.

Perhaps my choice of the word "archived" is misleading. Russell was sent away to a strict Military school in 1911. From 1911 to 1919 he went to Law School and was in
the Navy (and was into girls). During this period his smoking habit had ceased. My impression of this period in his life was too regimented for him to have spent any time
collecting BB cards. After all, there were no BB card shows .

His collection from the 1910-11 era was back in his folks home in Winder, GA collecting dust.

TED Z

[insidethewrapper]

In the spring of 1910, Cobb was in Georgia not at spring training( he hated spring training ). But he was also home because he had an automobile dealership which he was deeply involved with. Could these cards (Cobb/Cobb) have been given to customers at his dealership, or to those rich enough to buy autos in 1910. Did Sen. Russell's dad buy a car from Cobb that year ? If this card was a premium just maybe it was given out at his dealership.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

In the spring of 1910, Cobb was in Georgia not at spring training( he hated spring training ). But he was also home because he had an automobile dealership which he was deeply involved with. Could these cards (Cobb/Cobb) have been given to customers at his dealership, or to those rich enough to buy autos in 1910. Did Sen. Russell's dad buy a car from Cobb that year ? If this card was a premium just maybe it was given out at his dealership.

A possible scenario......this timeline appears to coincide with when I think the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb card was available. I will check-out the
biography of Senator Russell that I have to see if there is any reference to him and his dad visiting with Cobb during the Spring of 1910.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Is it possible the cards were handed out to the purchaser and they put them in the tin for safe keeping during transport??

Andrew

Anything is possible, guy.

Whatever....I don't think that these Ty Cobb cards were originally packaged in the Ty Cobb tin by F. R. Penn tobacco.
Newspaper advertisements indicate that this tin was available Feb 1910. The Red portrait Cobb image on T-cards was
issued later (circa Spring/Summer 1910).

See you in Baltimore good buddy.


Best regards,

TED Z