Christy Mathewson's signed edition of Won in the Ninth?

[travrosty]

There are inconsistencies found on these bookplates that really cant be found elsewhere on exemplars both before and after these were purported to be signed.

The capital M in Mathewson normally points way back if you follow the beginning stroke backwards toward the name Christy. These bookplates have the first stroke in Mathewson point down right away if you follow it back, it doesn't make sense if you look at the historical record of his signature. he did this 500 times in a row, but both before and after he didn't seem to do it this way.

check out all the other exemplars siged in a similar time frame and other time frames and look a where the M points. How do 500 point down in an acute angle when almost all the other ones you see point way back over the top of the ty in Christy in the majority of them and over the y on the rest, but none fall short of the y like in the 400 or 500 examples he did for the bookplates?

[steve B]

Ok, but how does that work with the inconsistency in the ones shown that are good.
All of the ones with just the first initial are angled way down, probably part of the initial being combined with the last name.
Some Ts crossed at an angle, but one straight across
Some Ss in the last name tall but some short
some with sort of moon shaped lower loops, some very oval.
most Ns point right at the end, but one points straight down.
The Es are sometimes loops, sometimes points, and at least once, more like an uppercase E.
Some Cs taller than the H, some much shorter.


There's Got to be something more than one odd variance that the experts are seeing. Otherwise, I'd have to doubt many of the good ones too.

Note, I'm not saying that Someone whose opinion has a lot of respect is wrong, just that I'm not seeing what he might be seeing.

Steve B
Steve B

[travrosty]

yes, but those good ones show differences, but here and there, some have a difference here, some there, with different letters. These bookplates show a difference that doesnt seem to show up any other place, both before and after, only 400 in a row like that never to be seen again, or before. that's what makes it suspect.

other anomalies from the other good examplars can be found before and after, in other signatures signed in different places, under different circumstances. on letters and other pieces of paper. these are 400 in a row signed just one way we have never really seen before or since that signing. that's what makes it suspect. If he angled the M down sharply like that, why wouldn't he do that a few times after he signed these bookplates? signatures dont just take a big left turn like that and then revert to how they were signed before. that is my observation. i respect everyones opinion.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by travrosty

There are inconsistencies found on these bookplates that really cant be found elsewhere on exemplars both before and after these were purported to be signed.

The capital M in Mathewson normally points way back if you follow the beginning stroke backwards toward the name Christy. These bookplates have the first stroke in Mathewson point down right away if you follow it back, it doesn't make sense if you look at the historical record of his signature. he did this 500 times in a row, but both before and after he didn't seem to do it this way.

check out all the other exemplars siged in a similar time frame and other time frames and look a where the M points. How do 500 point down in an acute angle when almost all the other ones you see point way back over the top of the ty in Christy in the majority of them and over the y on the rest, but none fall short of the y like in the 400 or 500 examples he did for the bookplates?

Very good point, Travis! Thanks for the comparitive look at all the exemplars.