Question about PSA/JSA "Guarantees"

[travrosty]

i also take offense to the statement that you just sell, and you dont care, as long as psa slabs it. I also take offense to the statement that no one cares about my opinion or mark ogren's opinion because we are not an official tpa.

we get asked all the time if PSA or JSA certed autographs are actually real or not when it concerns boxing.

we have sold hundreds upon hundreds of real boxing autographs to discerning collectors who are interested in getting a real autograph, not just a certed one. The autographs we have sold dont have a third party tpa - psa or jsa cert with it the vast, vast majority of the time and we sell them for market value to people all over the world.

so to say that psa or jsa is the only word that matters and who cares if it is real, is irresponsible.


psa and jsa kept certing geraldine liston signed "sonny liston" autographs as real, both encapsulating them and issuing full loa's for them, even though BCN newsletter had shown those to be wife signed for many years, psa and jsa kept certing them until people like myself and mark showed the auction houses and the tpa's that they were no good.

now if you got one in tomorrow and you knew it was a wife signed liston, i suppose you could list it on ebay and sell it as a real liston and you wouldnt care. i do care because i have to sleep at night.

If i wanted to , i didnt have to alert psa and jsa and the auction houses, i could simply buy geraldine liston signed "sonny liston" autographs for cheap and submit them to psa and jsa and get the certs and flip them for 800 dollars apiece. I would be rich. Playing the game I guess some people don't care. They want the cert and no autograph is real or fake, there is no truth in autographs, it's only what you can get certed. That's pathetic.

We have seen psa and jsa make hundreds of errors concerning these boxing autographs and you either fall into two camps. You are interested in finding out if the autograph is real or not, or you want money you think the tpa's can provide by get any autograph certed, whether you know they are real or not, or really care.

I will go with accuracy and with the truth, and the money will always follow a competant dealer that offers good autographs with experience in boxing autographs to back it up. Other can pay psa or jsa and spin the wheel.

Mark is right, a knowledgable collector and real boxing fan who knows their autographs will not purchase a bad boxing autograph even if it is in a psa or jsa holder with a full LOA. if it takes someone who doesnt know boxing autographs who buys it because it is psa or jsa. Again, is that something to be proud of, that someone who doesn't know but is trusting psa or jsa fell for an autograph that isn't any good?

I could have been rich many times over taking advantage of the loopholes knowing what psa or jsa would pass concerning boxing autographs and exploiting their inexperience in boxing. But I am not rich, because I put accuracy first. A bad boxing autograph that is encapsulated in a psa or jsa holder stays that way forever, which is sickening and something I hate to see, because we have seen almost every HOF boxer from Sullivan to Tyson in a bad holder or with a bad full LOA. And it infects the hobby forever when they don't know the autograph but give it the LOA or encapsulation anyway.