Black Swamp Find?

[phlflyer1]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

+1

Great seeing you pop up Scott give me a call sometime love to catch up. I hope you're doing well...I stand behind my words you're still the king of E98 Scott long live the Gang Green Set.

Cheers,

John

Thanks Jim and John for the kind words.

I'm still around and doing well although I haven't been too active in the hobby or on keeping up with the board the past couple of years.

Thankfully, I was alerted to this thread by a fellow collector and also by hearing about the find in the news.

I'm kind of disappointed that my old friend Pete C. did not reach out to me and let me know that he had the privilege of handling these cards since he was also the one to help me get the E98 set from my find graded back when I "came out of the woodwork" in 2005.

The cards from this find are definitely stunning and I can't wait to see how they do in the upcoming auctions as they are sold.

[mklitzke]

Hey All,

So I have the "Hans" Wagner card in orange and the Johnny Evers card in green from the E98 set.... We found them when clearing out my great-grandfather's attic in 1990. I've never really know what they were worth. They are not in mint condition, but there is very little discoloration on the white border and they still have crisp corners. Do you think they'll be worth much after this influx of cards from the Black Swamp Find...?

Thanks!

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by mklitzke

Hey All,

So I have the "Hans" Wagner card in orange and the Johnny Evers card in green from the E98 set.... We found them when clearing out my great-grandfather's attic in 1990. I've never really know what they were worth. They are not in mint condition, but there is very little discoloration on the white border and they still have crisp corners. Do you think they'll be worth much after this influx of cards from the Black Swamp Find...?

Thanks!

Do you have pictures or scans of the cards? That would really help in giving you an accurate valuation. As you probably have figured by now, condition is of the utmost importance.

[ullmandds]

It's pouring E98's!!!! I wish it would pour e94's...purple ones would be nice!!!!

[AndyG09]

E98, the new 1988 Donruss!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mklitzke

Hey All,

So I have the "Hans" Wagner card in orange and the Johnny Evers card in green from the E98 set.... We found them when clearing out my great-grandfather's attic in 1990. I've never really know what they were worth. They are not in mint condition, but there is very little discoloration on the white border and they still have crisp corners. Do you think they'll be worth much after this influx of cards from the Black Swamp Find...?

Thanks!

Yes they will definitely still have good value but it is sort of hard to say where all of this is going to put the other cards already in the hobby. No doubt that red ones already in the hobby will take bit of a hit, with so many high grades ones being found. It's hard to fathom they wouldn't come down some. Other colors, it's just too hard to say right now. Would love to see scans of them too.

[ScottR81]

I posted this days ago and it got moved to watercooler talk???

[mklitzke]

I'll see if I can get some scans up in the next few days... they've been packed away for a while so I've gotta dig em out

[barrysloate]

I would be interested to know what percentage of the collection Heritage plans to sell privately. If nearly all are sold privately, and only a small group reaches auction, then prices might actually remain pretty strong. The fewer sold publicly, the greater the demand for the remaining ones.

I think for those collectors who want to make a serious investment in these, it's probably pretty tough to figure out what they're worth. I guess it's going to take some time for the market on these to stabilize, and I would expect some volatility early on.

[theuclakid]

it is my opinion that the high end ones will fly away fast....there are so many collectors with deep pockets, maybe some more active than others, but they will want to add these gems to their already staggering portfolios....and to have at least one for bragging rights...this is only common sense....Barry, are you adding any to your fabulous collection? They are beautiful, I hope I will be able to see some up close in Baltimore...Barry, speaking of BALTIMORE, any chance I can talk you into coming down to the national? I'll buy your badge...it would be great to see you....Bruce Perry

[barrysloate]

Hi Bruce- thanks for the invite, and it would be great to see you after so long. But I won't be in Baltimore. That Saturday is my 60th birthday so I will be with Judy for a little celebration. And my collection is gone....sold it quite a while ago. But I sure do like those E98's- they are tempting. Have fun at the National.

[mklitzke]

Originally Posted by Leon

Yes they will definitely still have good value but it is sort of hard to say where all of this is going to put the other cards already in the hobby. No doubt that red ones already in the hobby will take bit of a hit, with so many high grades ones being found. It's hard to fathom they wouldn't come down some. Other colors, it's just too hard to say right now. Would love to see scans of them too.

Hey...

Here are some photos of my cards... what ya'll think?

Michael

[ullmandds]

Honus looks very nice... but then again it's so common!!!

[Matthew H]

It's the now "rare" orange version!

Thanks for the video post! Seems like the media has been pretty straight forward about the find and has not twisted it like most news stories. I hope I didn't just jinx it

I would have to say that the closest thing I've had to a "Black Swamp Like Find" was about 15 years ago when I was helping a buddy of mine re-shingle his roof. I pulled off one of the shingles and found a handful of T206's. At first my heart stopped, as I knew they were tobacco cards due to the famous Wager everyone in the hobby has seen. Some of the cards were too damaged to even tell the players names and could barley see the photos. I don't recall the exact cards we unearthed from his roof, but at the time they were only going on eBay for less than $100 and in much better condition. My buddy collected at the time, so I just let him have them. He did provide lunch and beer for the roofing job, so no complaints. Only if one of the cards were a a big name, for a minute...I had that glimmer of hope and possibility which caused my spine to tingle. We never figured out why the cards were there under a roof shingle, but that's what makes finds like this great...their totally unexpected and can happen anywhere at anytime

[jbhofmann]

Rarest of all...

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by mklitzke

Hey...

Here are some photos of my cards... what ya'll think?

Michael

very nice wagner...if the white lines on his legs are not creases or wrinkles it looks like an easy 4.

[barrysloate]

Nice one Joel....yesterday I started a Mike Trout thread in the watercooler section.

[mrvster]

LOL!!!

All i find is bats in my belfry

[momof6]

Alas, my "role" in this story is only that of an in-law. I did have the opportunity to spend a couple of days helping sort through the house, (what fun that was. Lots of lost "treasures"!) but due to work, I was out of the picture long before the cards were found. Most of the details I know I have learned through watching Karl being interviewed by various networks. I have been doing a lot of research on the E98, for my own information (I'm a geek like that) but truthfully, I have avoided learning all the "inside information" so I didn't have to worry about keeping it all secret!
It has been very difficult for me to see all the various stories floating around and not saying "Hey, silly! That's not right!!" Just today, a local NC Fox station had the aunt finding the cards and having to share them with her dozen nieces and nephews. How does a story get so wrong????
It has been requested that I hold off on posting any doll house pictures for right now. As soon as I am given the ok, I will gladly post.

Until then, happy bidding. I truely hope all of you that want to purchase a card have the opportunity to do so, at some point. Thanks for the welcome!

[brickyardkennedy]

One more vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBZuGDQ6qk0

This is the greatest treasure trove ever uncovered in the history of the hobby. I was a loyal collector who spent ALL of my allowance money on early-mid 90's cards. Rather than getting a "real job" I would flip my doubles on eBay and various message boards, since eBay was pretty new then. Before I knew it, the modern day card market crashed. I was so frustrated that I sold off my entire collection in bulk and never looked back until now. Once in a while I will bust a Wal-Mart box of something like Allen & Ginter just to get that fix that I so desperately miss. But let's face it, the only way to sustain true value in the hobby nowadays is to purchase very high end "boxes" that contain 1-3 packs with a guaranteed rookie cut, auto, or something of that nature. No one wants to spend $300-$500 for a few cards that could either skyrocket or fizzle out. It's just not appealing to the collector nor your wallet. Which is why I had given up the hobby for over 10 years, until recently. Because of the Black Swamp Find that I read in my local paper (I live in NE Ohio) I found this message board. For a week now, I have done nothing but look at everyone's collection and thoughts on Pre-War cards, which I know nothing about yet highly appreciate. My wife thinks I am nuts! Haha. But, much to my surprise, there is in fact a market for those who truly love the hobby...I've just been looking into all the wrong places until now. I could never imagine the feeling of a Black Swamp like find, but it's more exciting to me that pulling a juiced up A-Rod swatch card from a high-end pack. Because of this find, I found you guys and because of you guys, I may join the hobby again. I love collecting cardboard, but when I tossed all my eggs into the 90's basket and ended up holding a goose egg that everyone else had, I hesitated to ever do it again. Thanks for opening up my eyes

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Mulhall777

This is the greatest treasure trove ever uncovered in the history of the hobby. I was a loyal collector who spent ALL of my allowance money on early-mid 90's cards. Rather than getting a "real job" I would flip my doubles on eBay and various message boards, since eBay was pretty new then. Before I knew it, the modern day card market crashed. I was so frustrated that I sold off my entire collection in bulk and never looked back until now. Once in a while I will bust a Wal-Mart box of something like Allen & Ginter just to get that fix that I so desperately miss. But let's face it, the only way to sustain true value in the hobby nowadays is to purchase very high end "boxes" that contain 1-3 packs with a guaranteed rookie cut, auto, or something of that nature. No one wants to spend $300-$500 for a few cards that could either skyrocket or fizzle out. It's just not appealing to the collector nor your wallet. Which is why I had given up the hobby for over 10 years, until recently. Because of the Black Swamp Find that I read in my local paper (I live in NE Ohio) I found this message board. For a week now, I have done nothing but look at everyone's collection and thoughts on Pre-War cards, which I know nothing about yet highly appreciate. My wife thinks I am nuts! Haha. But, much to my surprise, there is in fact a market for those who truly love the hobby...I've just been looking into all the wrong places until now. I could never imagine the feeling of a Black Swamp like find, but it's more exciting to me that pulling a juiced up A-Rod swatch card from a high-end pack. Because of this find, I found you guys and because of you guys, I may join the hobby again. I love collecting cardboard, but when I tossed all my eggs into the 90's basket and ended up holding a goose egg that everyone else had, I hesitated to ever do it again. Thanks for opening up my eyes

Great post and welcome back !!!

This board is a lot of fun, best place on the internet IMO. Great to see more interest in pre-war cards coming about because of this awesome find !!

Sincerely, Clayton

Thanks for the warm welcome Clayton! I wish I would have found these boards years ago, as part of the fun about collecting is networking , sharing and learning with others. I've already spent hours surfing the different topics on Net54 and I am amazed with the dedication and passion that some of you have. That's exactly what the hobby lacks IMO. I am very much looking forward to getting back in the game, perusing a different genre of cards than I once did and of course spending even more time on here!

[RUSH2112]

Originally Posted by momof6

Alas, my "role" in this story is only that of an in-law. I did have the opportunity to spend a couple of days helping sort through the house, (what fun that was. Lots of lost "treasures"!) but due to work, I was out of the picture long before the cards were found. Most of the details I know I have learned through watching Karl being interviewed by various networks. I have been doing a lot of research on the E98, for my own information (I'm a geek like that) but truthfully, I have avoided learning all the "inside information" so I didn't have to worry about keeping it all secret!
It has been very difficult for me to see all the various stories floating around and not saying "Hey, silly! That's not right!!" Just today, a local NC Fox station had the aunt finding the cards and having to share them with her dozen nieces and nephews. How does a story get so wrong????
It has been requested that I hold off on posting any doll house pictures for right now. As soon as I am given the ok, I will gladly post.

Until then, happy bidding. I truely hope all of you that want to purchase a card have the opportunity to do so, at some point. Thanks for the welcome!

So who's asking you to hold off on the doll house pictures?

I have an idea but want to be sure. And I'm sure it's all about the money.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RUSH2112

So who's asking you to hold off on the doll house pictures?

I have an idea but want to be sure. And I'm sure it's all about the money.

That is a rude question and snide insinuation. I wouldn't answer if I were that person. Why do you want to be sure? What concern is it of yours? They said they were asked not to post them. Not a big deal. I appreciate them coming on the board in the first place.

I second Leon. What we have to take from this story is the fact that the family has had absolutely no financially arguments what-so-ever. That is the most impressive fact about the find considering how many individuals are involved. In this day and age, a lucky company lottery pool results in lawyering up eventually. Who knows the reason why the dollhouse pictures are not public, but respect the decision and don't always assume it's for the money. If you made the find, would you want every Tom, Dick and Harry questioning you about every little detail and requesting pictures of all the involved contents? I think not.

[RUSH2112]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is a rude question and snide insinuation. I wouldn't answer if I were that person. Why do you want to be sure? What concern is it of yours? They said they were asked not to post them. Not a big deal. I appreciate them coming on the board in the first place.

I appreciate this person coming to the forum as well and was in no way saying anything negative about the family who found them or the poster.

I can only guess the dollhouse and any other information that the average baseball card collector would like to see or hear has been prohibited by a lawyers document somewhere in order for someone handling the find to make a few more bucks.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RUSH2112

I appreciate this person coming to the forum as well and was in no way saying anything negative about the family who found them or the poster.

I can only guess the dollhouse and any other information that the average baseball card collector would like to see or hear has been prohibited by a lawyers document somewhere in order for someone handling the find to make a few more bucks.

That doesn't make any sense. I doubt there is money from the story or the details. The money is in the cards and Heritage will be selling them on behalf of the family. It might be that the family only wants certain people putting information out so they don't accidentally contradict each other AND they can keep track of all of the information. I can imagine with 20 different people owning them, different info could be put out and it could get twisted. With the above board nature and transparency shown so far I can't imagine there is anything going on behind the scenes. For those attending the Net54baseball Dinner at the National I think you will find some more info out. As already stated one of the speakers will be speaking about the find.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by RUSH2112

So who's asking you to hold off on the doll house pictures?

I have an idea but want to be sure. And I'm sure it's all about the money.

Someone close to the find appears on the board and you want to know about the dollhouse????

I have better questions:

1) Do you know if the cards were bundled by player?

2) Were there more then 22 of any color for any individual player, or were most found right at the number 22?

-Matt