Getting Auction LOAs upgraded to full cert - I know its been discussed before

[travrosty]

psa doesnt guarantee a precerted item will get a cert, sure they say it, but if they get the item in and change their mind, they will fail it. they have no guarantee, they expressly say on their website that any autograph authentication that they do is an opinion, and no guarantee is in effect.

whats the guarantee? when they say precert WILL pass full authentication? they don't say what the guarantee entails because there is no guarantee. read again, psa has no guarantee. they have never had a guarantee.

You have to pay more than once because the first time you 'pay' is when you compete with other bidders at auction who think the psa or jsa auction loa means something, so the price goes higher, because they think they are getting a certed item. but lo and behold, switcheroo, you didnt get what you thought you were getting, you have to pay AGAIN! stinks!


its not surgery or x rays, its an autograph, and to say you didnt do a competent thorough job the first time around, but you will if someone ponies up, stinks.

[Plinvestments]

Originally Posted by travrosty

psa doesnt guarantee a precerted item will get a cert, sure they say it, but if they get the item in and change their mind, they will fail it. they have no guarantee, they expressly say on their website that any autograph authentication that they do is an opinion, and no guarantee is in effect.

whats the guarantee? when they say precert WILL pass full authentication? they don't say what the guarantee entails because there is no guarantee. read again, psa has no guarantee. they have never had a guarantee.

You have to pay more than once because the first time you 'pay' is when you compete with other bidders at auction who think the psa or jsa auction loa means something, so the price goes higher, because they think they are getting a certed item. but lo and behold, switcheroo, you didnt get what you thought you were getting, you have to pay AGAIN! stinks!


its not surgery or x rays, its an autograph, and to say you didnt do a competent thorough job the first time around, but you will if someone ponies up, stinks.

Actually, they use the word "Guarantee" on the website. I have seen people bring in pre-certified items at shows. It doesn't even make it to the authenticators. The girls put stickers on the items. Below from psa website:

PSA/DNA Pre-Certified
As a hobbyist, you may see the PSA/DNA Pre-Certified logo in various auction house catalogues or online. It is a service unique to auctions and to autographs found within. The purpose of the service is to let the prospective bidders know whether an autographed auction item will pass PSA/DNA should that person win the item and want to send it in for authentication immediately after the auction closes. If you see the Pre-Certified logo, it means the item has been reviewed by our experts and is absolutely guaranteed to pass.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by travrosty

You have to pay more than once because the first time you 'pay' is when you compete with other bidders at auction who think the psa or jsa auction loa means something, so the price goes higher, because they think they are getting a certed item. but lo and behold, switcheroo, you didnt get what you thought you were getting, you have to pay AGAIN! stinks!

I thought I remember you always arguing that a TPA adds nothing to the selling price of autographs, and now I read this.

Which way is it?

Or does it change depending on which argument you are trying to make?

Just wondering,

Mike

[sports-rings]

I think that we need to hold the auction houses more responsible. We are spending a lot of money to win these auctions and I feel the auction houses should make every effort to make sure the signature, or any item they sell is authentic. Why should auction houses take a questionable item and put it in an auction? The better auction houses like Robert Edward and Lelands have a solid reputation and make every effort to make sure the items in their auctions are sound. It's their reputation at stake and auction houses that give it a "once over" need to make a better effort. Yes, I realize JSA and PSA make errors, but when in doubt, the auction houses should pay for a full JSA or PSA certificate. They will in all probability make the small cost back in greater prices realized.

[RichardSimon]

Robert Edward uses TPA's but Lelands does not. And personally I trust Mike Hefner and Josh Evans autograph opinions over the alphabet TPA's any day of the week.

[Plinvestments]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Robert Edward uses TPA's but Lelands does not. And personally I trust Mike Hefner and Josh Evans autograph opinions over the alphabet TPA's any day of the week.

Is richard bond still at leland's? He is one of the best.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

Is richard bond still at leland's? He is one of the best.

He has not been with Leland's for years.
Last I heard he was an independent autograph dealer.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Robert Edward uses TPA's but Lelands does not. And personally I trust Mike Hefner and Josh Evans autograph opinions over the alphabet TPA's any day of the week.

yes, plus they are very responsive if you have a concern, they don't look down on you as an inconvenience.

[Exhibitman]

I was very pleased to get a full LOA from Lipset, as noted above. Regardless of one's views on TPAs in general, I appreciated the effort to give the customer the benefit. Also kinda sad that I was pleased to get what every AH should be giving me without equivocation when I buy an expensive autograph.

One thing my wife often says about gifts applies to ALOAs: Don't give me a project as a gift; it isn't. Getting the 'privilege' of sending an item to a TPA for a fee is not a gift...