PSA 10 E98 Wagner mistake

[botn]

Originally Posted by Leon

I had a fairly long chat with Chris Ivy about it today as well as Joe Orlando. Chris and Joe both said that when they looked at the card in the holder they knew immediately there was an issue. The PSA 10 card IS graded correctly but when it was to be put in it's holder the PSA operations folks DID in fact pick up one of the PSA 8.5s and put it in the PSA 10 holder by mistake. .
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So I could see how Joe might have missed this since it is not his job to verify grades but Chris noticed there was an issue with the 10 but put up a picture of it anyway before contacting PSA to correct it?

Additionally, since the 10 is sandwiched between two 8s based on the sequential cert numbers (note to OP who thinks there are only 3 Wagners when there were 46 graded from this find) how did the 10 get switched with an 8.5? My understanding is that cards get assigned cert numbers upon receipt and for good reason are left in order in the boxes once graded. Flips are printed and cards are holdered in order.

Greg

[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

.... how did the 10 get switched with an 8.5? ...


Greg

Maybe the cards got out of order and it was a mistake?

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Once again praise praise praise for PSA making a mistake. This time enough attention had been brought to the card to warrant looking further into it. Heck it isn't tough to find a so called 8 or high to call it a 10 make the switch and say all is fine.

If these were modern cards they would be lucky to get an 8 with the registry being off and the color bleeding off the borders. So much attention is given to sharp corners and centering it is ridiculous. The 10 has obvious immediate visual defects I just don't get how the cards warrant the applied grades. The card in the first 10 holder that is know an 8.5 has so many obvious defects (the big one is the extra red color on the back plus the other defects mentioned in the 10 card.I don't know how it warrants anything more than a 6.

Great looking cards but not to the level of the grades. If you think so that is your and opinion and you are free to spend your money as such. To me I am not in this game, even if I could afford it.

Lee

[Cardboard Junkie]

Great looking cards but not to the level of the grades.
Lee[/QUOTE]

I agree, the first thing I noticed about this card is the imperfect registration. It is a beautiful card but not a 10. dave

[Peter_Spaeth]

To me, the whole concept of the 10 (or 98) grade is meaningless and rather arbitrary (although great marketing). If a card is Mint it should be essentially flawless, so the notion of an even higher grade makes no sense.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

To me, the whole concept of the 10 (or 98) grade is meaningless and rather arbitrary (although great marketing). If a card is Mint it should be essentially flawless, so the notion of an even higher grade makes no sense.

I think the human eye can distinguish between PSA/SGC/Beckett Mint (9/96/9) and Gem Mint (10/98/9.5), but can anyone tell me how to distinguish Gem Mint from Pristine (??/100/10)? The fact that SGC and BGS even have a Pristine grade would lead us to believe that there are flaws in Gem Mint cards. Now that makes no sense Peter.

[cobblove]

Do we know when and how they are going to start selling the Cobb PSA 9s? Sorry if its been told already. Would love to put some bids on a few.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I think the human eye can distinguish between PSA/SGC/Beckett Mint (9/96/9) and Gem Mint (10/98/9.5), but can anyone tell me how to distinguish Gem Mint from Pristine (??/100/10)? The fact that SGC and BGS even have a Pristine grade would lead us to believe that there are flaws in Gem Mint cards. Now that makes no sense Peter.

I would bet that if you took, say 50 10s and 50 9s of a mass-produced modern card, cracked them all out, and resubmitted, many 10s would come back 9s and vice versa. And judging by scans of the Dmitri Young collection, I'm not so sure on somewhat older cards there is a meaningful difference between 9s and 10s either. I think it's mostly marketing and hype.

[botn]

Originally Posted by leon

maybe the cards got out of order and it was a mistake?

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