Type II photos?

[thecatspajamas]

On the subject of publications, are there others that you guys have found helpful in relation to photos? I keep touting Fogel/Yee's book primarily because of the catalog of back stamp styles which I have found particularly useful, but am wondering if there may be others I am overlooking.

I did recently picked up David's "Guide To Sports Photographs" (is that the same one you referred to, Craig?) and "Forensic Light: A Beginner's Guide" but haven't had opportunity to dig into them yet.

[Frozen in Time]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

On the subject of publications, are there others that you guys have found helpful in relation to photos? I keep touting Fogel/Yee's book primarily because of the catalog of back stamp styles which I have found particularly useful, but am wondering if there may be others I am overlooking.

I did recently picked up David's "Guide To Sports Photographs" (is that the same one you referred to, Craig?) and "Forensic Light: A Beginner's Guide" but haven't had opportunity to dig into them yet.

Hi Lance,

I believe that the "Guide to Sports Photographs" is a later and more extensive treatment on the subject compared to the earlier pamphlet that I mentioned by David. That and the Fogel et al. guides are the two best that I have found although I am sure that many other more specific books exist on the newspaper printing and wirephoto process as well as more detailed surveys on the photographic image etc.

I too would like to hear from others on the forum if any other useful guides exist relating to the evaluation of baseball vintage photos.

Craig

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

On the subject of publications, are there others that you guys have found helpful in relation to photos? I keep touting Fogel/Yee's book primarily because of the catalog of back stamp styles which I have found particularly useful, but am wondering if there may be others I am overlooking.

I did recently picked up David's "Guide To Sports Photographs" (is that the same one you referred to, Craig?) and "Forensic Light: A Beginner's Guide" but haven't had opportunity to dig into them yet.

All I ever needed was David's series of books, accompanied by exchanges with him on the old forums beginning ten or so years ago, then conversations over the years and my own observations. I'm certain that Yee has produced something quite useful to those who need that sort of stuff, as I know many people who have the book and they speak very highly of it. I'm told that t's primary usefulness to those who are new to the hobby is it's backstamp identification. From conversations I've had with photo collectors on the board recently, I'm sure that's all true, as they've brought up nuances of backstamps from Yee's book that I was unaware of, and would never have bothered memorizing or writing down. Somehow I've survived without it, but perhaps I'm just blissfully unaware. I do have one Ruth photo that is slabbed, but will trim off the labeling now that I've decided to make it 'permanent'.

In any case, Henry and I had many conversations back in his early days. While I disagreed with his early methods, he was pleasant and generally willing to talk.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

On the subject of publications, are there others that you guys have found helpful in relation to photos? I keep touting Fogel/Yee's book primarily because of the catalog of back stamp styles which I have found particularly useful, but am wondering if there may be others I am overlooking.

I did recently picked up David's "Guide To Sports Photographs" (is that the same one you referred to, Craig?) and "Forensic Light: A Beginner's Guide" but haven't had opportunity to dig into them yet.

Lance,

Fogel/Yee is by far the best resource that is out there IMO so you definitely started in the right place. I also believe that is pre-dates all the other books mentioned. It was/is the groundbreaking book in baseball photography.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Lance,

Fogel/Yee is by far the best resource that is out there IMO so you definitely started in the right place. I also believe that is pre-dates all the other books mentioned. It was/is the groundbreaking book in baseball photography.

That's incorrect - David (Cycleback) was publishing books about photography while Henry was still cutting his ..... teeth

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Runscott

That's incorrect - David (Cycleback) was publishing books about photography while Henry was still cutting his ..... teeth

It is clear that you have a personal isssue with Henry. This, coupled with the fact you have not even opened his book makes your opinion on this matter a wee bit jaded.. but ok

[ibuysportsephemera]

The first publication on Sports Photography that I was ever aware of was David's (Cycleback). Not stating one way or another who was first...both are great and a must for the collector of photographs.

Jeff

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

The first publication on Sports Photography that I was ever aware of was David's (Cycleback). Not stating one way or another who was first...both are great and a must for the collector of photographs.

Jeff

Agreed in that anything one can read and learn from is good. Content is most important to me in a read as I assess its value.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

It is clear that you have a personal isssue with Henry. This, coupled with the fact you have not even opened his book makes your opinion on this matter a wee bit jaded.. but ok

My opinion that David's books came out before Henry's? Your logic is a bit flawed, Ben, but carry on.

edited to add: it's not an opinion, it's a fact

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Runscott

My opinion that David's books came out before Henry's? Your logic is a bit flawed, Ben, but carry on.

edited to add: it's not an opinion, it's a fact

Runscott.. look at the content... look at the different additions as it relates to the time frame of when "a portrait of baseball photography" came out. That is all I am going to say.. people can come to their own conclusions based on facts. You clearly have underlying issues with Henry. I am not going to degrade what David has done as it does take work to put a book together. I am sorry that I added to any negative comparison. I suggest you open a copy of "a portrait of baseball photography" as you would undoubtedly learn a lot.

ps: what does "cutting his...teeth " mean?

David, I have asked you before if you authenticate for Beckett with no response. Do you? If not, who does?

[drc]

Sorry, I don't read all posts, I'm not avoiding answering questions.

I don't authenticate at Beckett and never did. I was an advisor before, which meant I answered their pressing question and gave opinions on the occasional hard photo they emailed me. Last I knew Andy Broome was the head photograph guy. He also is their Pre-War baseball card specialist. All questions sent to me came through Mark Anderson who is the director of grading. Mark himself seems to be knowledgeable about photos, and I would guess he is in on the photo grading.

I originally went down to Dallas and gave a seminar or identifying photographs to the graders. They also had me write a series of photo articles for one of the magazines. Then retained me for a while to answer questions long distance.

But, no, I've never physically handled a photograph for Beckett.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Runscott.. look at the content... look at the different additions as it relates to the time frame of when "a portrait of baseball photography" came out. That is all I am going to say.. people can come to their own conclusions based on facts. You clearly have underlying issues with Henry. I am not going to degrade what David has done as it does take work to put a book together. I am sorry that I added to any negative comparison. I suggest you open a copy of "a portrait of baseball photography" as you would undoubtedly learn a lot.

I was reading David's books on photography long before Henry wrote a book. David has written many books over the years - they were not all published before Henry wrote his, but some of them were. I'm sure Henry learned quite a bit from David and his publications. I'm even more certain that Henry learned a lot by reading this forum and its predecessors.

I don't think you added any negative comparisons - you were just supporting Henry.