Peter Nash and Hauls of Shame

[travrosty]

Rich, you ask other people for their thoughts, but don't give yours? Why not?

Here is mine, He is trying to help recover stolen items and keep the pressure on TPA's who are in a desperate race to authenticate everything under the sun, as well as the lax internal controls at some of these auction houses which lets some of these items slip through unabated.

Some people don't want to know. They just want to be told that everything is kosher, nothing from the NYPL or the Baseball HOF was ever stolen, Halper was too trusting and never tried to deceive anybody, and that autograph you buy in a fancy slab, "encapsulated for unquestioned authenticity" as auction houses like to call it - is never a laser copy, or a wife signed autograph, or a stamp.

I guess Hauls of Shame isn't for them and they can pop in Field of Dreams or The Natural and take themselves to a world where all Wagner cards are untrimmed, and pristine. We've all been there, it's called dreaming, but sometimes we need a splash of cold water to wake up. If Hauls of Shame had no merit and the articles weren't true, no one would read it. But they do, and that's not a coincidence.

So the people who don't like the articles for whatever reason, personal or business, naturally go after the author, like attacking the author somehow negates the articles.

It doesn't matter who writes the articles, if you don't like them, you don't like them. If Vince Lombardi had wrote the articles, they would find something on him, don't worry. He would be guilty of something in short order in order to try to marginalize and discredit what he is saying. I don't compare anyone to Lombardi, just saying no one, no matter their pedigree, up, down or sideways, could write articles that expose some of this stuff that Hauls of Shame exposes without taking strafe fire from people who don't like it or have a vested interest in things staying the same. Then all of the sudden the author is a target.

I'd be a target if I was the author, they would dissect my entire life if that's what it took. But some of these same people have no problem believing some anonymous "White Betsy" who won't even reveal who they are and believe what anyway? - since I can find any names in the articles, which just lets peoples imaginations run rampant with speculation. That is irresponsible, not Hauls of Shame.

I have read everything about Nash that is out there, so there are no surprises anyone can throw at me to change my mind that his website is set up to expose and try to clean up what is an otherwise authentication error-ridden and stolen property-ridden hobby at this point in time until real reforms and investigations by authorities take place to right the ship.

If people point to Nash and say whatever they want - fine, but remember, if Nash took the exact opposite view he would be a swell guy to those same people he is now looked at as the guy who shot Santa Claus.

[wonkaticket]

Nash is a con man who due to his actions have duped and defrauded a lot of folks out of cash, enjoyment and so on.

He is running from the law in so many ways his head must be spinning from all the lawyers, judges & warrants. Like many folks in this situation his next course of action is to point fingers at others to draw attention away from his own actions. Sure some of the things he brings up are legitimate and bad stuff, but the person blowing the whistle is just as guilty. Like one criminal rolling over on another one is not a victim and one sure isn’t a hero.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Nash is a con man who due to his actions have duped and defrauded a lot of folks out of cash, enjoyment and so on.

He is running from the law in so many ways his head must be spinning from all the lawyers, judges & warrants. Like many folks in this situation his next course of action is to point fingers at others to draw attention away from his own actions. Sure some of the things he brings up are legitimate and bad stuff, but the person blowing the whistle is just as guilty. Like one criminal rolling over on another one is not a victim and one sure isn’t a hero.

John- well said but Travis will never, ever get it. He doesn't have the mental aptitude to see your, or almost everyone else's, point. Who cares what someone is doing, or has recently done, as long as that someone is pointing out those big crook auction houses. Who cares if the one doing the finger pointing is the biggest crook of all? It's ok because that darned autograph is bad. Boy, isn't that person pointing that out doing a great job! Forget all about the court cases, warrants and wrangling by the one exposing the other fraud, it's ok. Those darned big auctions.....oh wait, where did the fake memorabilia get consigned from?? Gee, how did that happen?

Yeah, I murdered 12 people but I gave a band aid to the guy with a paper cut. Am I ok now? ANSWER from Travis- "You ARE the best!!"

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Nash is a con man who due to his actions have duped and defrauded a lot of folks out of cash, enjoyment and so on.

He is running from the law in so many ways his head must be spinning from all the lawyers, judges & warrants. Like many folks in this situation his next course of action is to point fingers at others to draw attention away from his own actions. Sure some of the things he brings up are legitimate and bad stuff, but the person blowing the whistle is just as guilty. Like one criminal rolling over on another one is not a victim and one sure isn’t a hero.

Originally Posted by Leon

John- well said but Travis will never, ever get it. He doesn't have the mental aptitude to see your, or almost everyone else's, point. Who cares what someone is doing, or has recently done, as long as that someone is pointing out those big crook auction houses. Who cares if the one doing the finger pointing is the biggest crook of all? It's ok because that darned autograph is bad. Boy, isn't that person pointing that out doing a great job! Forget all about the court cases, warrants and wrangling by the one exposing the other fraud, it's ok. Those darned big auctions.....oh wait, where did the fake memorabilia get consigned from?? Gee, how did that happen?

Yeah, I murdered 12 people but I gave a band aid to the guy with a paper cut. Am I ok now? ANSWER from Travis- "You ARE the best!!"

These responses by John and Leon are absolute bullseyes. It's like John's arrow was a perfect shot and Leon's arrow split Johns!

Well Travis, I must say it pleases me that you are now officially married to Peter Nash. So now if, no make that when Nash's goes down and shit hits the fan... ole Pete will take you down the toilet with him.

[Tao_Moko]

Is Peter Nash a porn star? If not, great name.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Is Peter Nash a porn star? If not, great name.

Eric no, but just like a porn star he sure has screwed a lot of people.

[Wite3]

Love how Travis completely ignores my post...

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thekingofclout

It's like John's arrow was a perfect shot and Leon's arrow split Johns!

Nicely done

[Jlighter]

He accuses Halper of stealing but really doesn't say how he did it, did he just walk in one day and take the item? Did he pay someone off?

Some of his ideas may be true, but others are far too outlandish to be reasonable. We have to remember though he is in the "entertainment" business, so he does what gets views.

[E93]

John and Leon have nailed it. I don't trust the guy or his motives in any of this.
JimB

[travrosty]

One guy they do business with admits stealing from the nypl and another is barred from the baseball hof library but nash can't be allowed to expose the warts of the hobby.

But they are part of big companies that we do business with and have money to be made from, and Nash doesn't, so he can't be tolerated but we can tolerate everybody else.

Thanks for calling me names, I love it. I've been called worse. But i am trying to clean up the hobby along with HOS and the name callers want the status quo to continue, so the messenger must be massacred.

Anybody who disagrees with Leon is mentally challenged, remember that folks.

Of course this thread is going to go 9-1 against Nash but that is the reason they started it, to throw a hand grenade and then watch it blow. Calculated move, start a thread and watch people pile on knowing that anyone who thinks the HOS website is doing the hobby a service isn't going to stick their neck out only to get it chopped off.

They are objecting to HOS website for one reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA

[Leon]

When everyone else is wrong you might want to look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by travrosty

One guy they do business with admits stealing from the nypl and another is barred from the baseball hof library but nash can't be allowed to expose the warts of the hobby.

But they are part of big companies that we do business with and have money to be made from, and Nash doesn't, so he can't be tolerated but we can tolerate everybody else.

Thanks for calling me names, I love it. I've been called worse. But i am trying to clean up the hobby along with HOS and the name callers want the status quo to continue, so the messenger must be massacred.

Anybody who disagrees with Leon is mentally challenged, remember that folks.

Of course this thread is going to go 9-1 against Nash but that is the reason they started it, to throw a hand grenade and then watch it blow. Calculated move, start a thread and watch people pile on knowing that anyone who thinks the HOS website is doing the hobby a service isn't going to stick their neck out only to get it chopped off.

They are objecting to HOS website for one reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx32b5igLwA

[birdman42]

Travis,

I think the misunderstanding is about what the OP asked. He didn't ask what people think about the Haul of Shame; he asked what people think about Peter Nash.

I believe that if what's in the HoS is true, then Nash is performing a valuable service. But that service doesn't make him a better person, it doesn't undo the things he did, and it doesn't make his victims whole. If he's truly repentant, and the whole HoS effort is somehow part of his payback, then good. I think the general feeling here, though, is that HoS is more of a misdirection play. "See? I'm not the only one." And that is most definitely not good.

I agree with you that some people will allow their opinion of Nash to affect their opinion of HoS. That is, they don't like Nash, and their dislike makes them think poorly about HoS. But I think many more people are able to separate their feelings about HoS from their feelings about Nash himself. That is, they like HoS, but still think poorly of Nash. I don't believe there's anybody on here who thought highly of Nash before HoS, but now thinks less of him just because of what he wrote.

To use an absurd example, would you think better of John Wayne Gacy if he gave directions to Ted Kaczynski's hideout?

Bill Todd (the one in MD, not the one in CT)

[Wite3]

Alright...I will rise to the bait...Travis...a few questions...

First, what is an autograph consultant? You listed this on a book review after your name...isn't that the same as a third party authenticator?

Your website joeheavyweight.com asks for people to use you to because, "Our 20 plus years of experience and free advice can save you $$$." It is still just your opinion right? It is not fact. Just like TPA's give opinions and not facts.

How about this scenario...a thief steals your daughter's wallet and charges up her credit cards, etc. He is caught but gets off on a technicality. Your daughter feels violated and frustrated. She is very unhappy. The thief then goes on to tell how he stole the wallet and got away with it so others can "learn from his mistakes and not get stolen from." He teaches a class at the local community college on how to spot thieves and stop them. He never makes restitution to your daughter though. How would you feel about this person? How would your daughter feel about them?

People feel about Peter Nash this way because they were HURT by him. What he does now may diminish that pain but we have not forgotten...once burned, twice shy.

Joshua

[E93]

I would have a lot more confidence in the HOS if he detailed the fraud he is accused of committing on the hobby, came completely clean, apologized, made restitution, and explained why he has no ulterior motives in creating the website and pointing the finger all around. Without all of that, I am suspicious.
JimB

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by travrosty

But i am trying to clean up the hobby along with HOS and the name callers want the status quo to continue, so the messenger must be massacred.

Good luck in your quest to clean up the hobby via Peter Nash and his website. Let me give you a glimpse of where future round table discussions on hobby fraud between you two will most likely take place. Go get em' tiger.



Perhaps Pete will have access to a computer in the prison library for site updates.