PSA vs SGC...the definitive Debate!!!

bobbyw8469 · #1 06-29-2012, 06:22 AM

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In case anyone is keeping track, that's three days now without a single scan of an SGC 60 with a wrinkle or crease.

Would you like to see an SGC '4' that looks like, and graded an '8'?

Or would you prefer to see the SGC '3' that they later deemed to be trimmed??

vintagetoppsguy · #2 06-29-2012, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Would you like to see an SGC '4' that looks like, and graded an '8'?

Or would you prefer to see the SGC '3' that they later deemed to be trimmed??

In other words, you don't have a scan of a card graded SGC 60 or higher with a crease or a card graded SGC 50 or higher with paper loss? That's what I'm hearing. Give us something we can see that we can all look at and agree, "Yup, SGC screwed that one up," not a story of a card you used to own or your friend owned or that you once saw at a dealer booth or anything else - give us visual proof.

T206Collector · #3 06-29-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In other words, you don't have a scan of a card graded SGC 60 or higher with a crease or a card graded SGC 50 or higher with paper loss? That's what I'm hearing. Give us something we can see that we can all look at and agree, "Yup, SGC screwed that one up," not a story of a card you used to own or your friend owned or that you once saw at a dealer booth or anything else - give us visual proof.

+1

T206Collector · #4 06-29-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Would you like to see an SGC '4' that looks like, and graded an '8'?

Or would you prefer to see the SGC '3' that they later deemed to be trimmed??

Not really helpful. Again, just want a scan of an SGC 60+ with a wrinkle or a crease. I know there must be one out there. SGC are human after all. They are not IMMORTAL GODS incapable of making mistakes.

.....or are they?!?!?!?!?!

vintagetoppsguy · #5 06-29-2012, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Not really helpful. Again, just want a scan of an SGC 60+ with a wrinkle or a crease. I know there must be one out there. SGC are human after all. They are not IMMORTAL GODS incapable of making mistakes.

.....or are they?!?!?!?!?!

This situation reminds me of the CarFax commercials. We're the buyers on the dealership lot asking to see the CarFax report (SGC 60 w/crease or SGC 50 w/paper loss) and the salesman (Bobby) wants to show us everything else.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 06-29-2012, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

This situation reminds me of the CarFax commercials. We're the buyers on the dealership lot asking to see the CarFax report (SGC 60 w/crease or SGC 50 w/paper loss) and the salesman (Bobby) wants to show us everything else.

i disagree. Bobby's point is that SGC, like PSA, has overgraded and undergraded cards, and I would add graded cards that should have been rejected. That we don't happen to have a specific example of this within an artificially narrow category of errors doesn't negate the general proposition. Both companies make mistakes.

T206Collector · #7 06-29-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

i disagree. Bobby's point is that SGC, like PSA, has overgraded and undergraded cards, and I would add graded cards that should have been rejected. That we don't happen to have a specific example of this within an artificially narrow category of errors doesn't negate the general proposition. Both companies make mistakes.

This is not "an artificially narrow category of errors." You say that "SGC, like PSA, has overgraded . . . cards." A lot of what "overgrading" means is subjective. It's in the eye of the beholder. PSA fans think SGC is soft on corners, for example.

But, in my view, overgrading means giving a card a grade without noticing paper loss or a crease. Where this would be "overgrading" would be at the EX level and above. We are looking for examples of this.

I do not think this is a "narrow category." Just because there are so far no examples does not mean that a category is "narrow."

T206Collector · #8 06-29-2012, 10:06 AM

Also, just to show I'm not a total shill, here's my latest pick up, courtesy of the B/S/T about 6 minutes ago. Looks to be a total beaut! (Thanks Bill!)

vintagetoppsguy · #9 06-29-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Also, just to show I'm not a total shill, here's my latest pick up, courtesy of the B/S/T

Likewise, I buy PSA cards as well. Here's one that arrived just yesterday.

Of course, it didn't stay in that crappy holder very long

JohnP0621 · #10 06-29-2012, 11:17 AM

I would like to start another poll.
How many people think this thread has run its course.
I get it. Some collectors like SGC better and some people like PSA Better. Some people like both ,some people hate both.Thats what makes this country great. You have a choice and you can spend your money any way you want. But lets STOP trying to sell each other on either grading company.Use or dont use either company. None of my buisness. Both companys are doing fine as we keep submitting the cards. I use PSA but could care less who else uses them. I dont work for them nor do I get any favors or discounts if I convert SGC users to PSA . So I dont. I am sure this also goes for the SGC loyalists.
Lets put this thread to rest and talk about something interesting.

Thats just my 2 cents plus $17.50 for return shipping.

Enjoy the Hobby! It should be Fun. Lets stop beating up each other for the sake of TPG COMPANYS.

John P

#11 06-29-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by T206Collector

Also, just to show I'm not a total shill, here's my latest pick up, courtesy of the B/S/T about 6 minutes ago. Looks to be a total beaut! (Thanks Bill!)

Paul I think you got screwed on that PSA card. I do believe there there is a crease right along his rear end

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