PSA vs SGC...the definitive Debate!!!

vintagetoppsguy · #1 06-28-2012, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Toppsz? So what exactly are you saying? I am just confused on the point you are trying to make.....You said "long story short" 3 times.....Why are you happy when your cards have been at SGC for almost 3 weeks, and you have still not received them?

I'm guessing he sent them in on the post-1948 grading tier (just a guess since none of this month's specials apply to the cards he submitted) which is a 20 business day turnaround. His cards have been there about 13-14 business days. That means they won't pop for another week. What's is so confusing about that? Maybe to someone that is willing to wait 2-3 months on a PSA submission can't understand that, but I understood him just fine.

CMIZ5290 · #2 06-28-2012, 09:05 PM

David- no offense, but you need to get an anti-psa shot...probably will do you good. Also, you had stated SGC never, never made grading mistakes on paper loss or wrinkles.....ANY CHATTER?

vintagetoppsguy · #3 06-28-2012, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

David- no offense, but you need to get an anti-psa shot...probably will do you good.

Kevin, no offense taken. I just don't like PSA. If someone offers a crappy service, I take my business elsewhere. I'm funny that way.

There are many threads on the CU boards complaining about turnaround times, yet they still take the abuse over and over. I don't get it. There are also many threads complaining about the grades they receive. My solution would be to find another service. Their solution? Crack and re-submit. In other words, they think that PSA didn't get it right the first time, but they're going to pay them (and trust them) to do it again? What's the definition of insanity? To keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

No offense to you either Kevin, but I don't understand your stance with PSA. Any time an ovegraded card is shown, your answer is "mechanical error." And it's not just you, that is the common answer to PSA screw ups. I'll show this card card again. Untampered! Is this the kind of company you want to grade your cards? Come on, say it. "Mechanical error."

CMIZ5290 · #4 06-28-2012, 09:28 PM

David- point taken. But, the bottom line is psa graded vintage cards blow sgc graded cards out of the water price wise, (and i have many of each). Can i explain it? Is it a coincidence? Why do all major auction houses prefer psa graded cards versus sgc?? Anybody that says they don't care about "resale value, and only the integrity of collecting and the hobby", please, i want to hire you! Money is money. At some point, re-sale value is important. Please stop with the sgc bullshit. They give t206s with rounded corners a grade of 5, and PSA would give it a 3.5 max

vintagetoppsguy · #5 06-28-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

But, the bottom line is psa graded vintage cards blow sgc graded cards out of the water price wise, (and i have many of each). Can i explain it?

Kevin, I wish you could explain it because I don't see it. Maybe slightly, but not like everybody makes it out to be. I was looking on VCP today at '54 Topps Aaron rookie because there is one on the Live Auction forum (and it's the last one I need to finish my '54 set). Here are VCP prices:

PSA 4 $560
SGC 50 $565

PSA 5 $750
SGC 60 $810

PSA 6 $1163
SGC 80 $1350

PSA 7 $2045
SGC 84 $2061

This is just one card and I didn't purposely pick it to prove my point. I just happen to be looking at it today and noticed the price difference between PSA and SGC. However, I will concede that for the most part PSA cards do outsell their SGC counterparts, but again I think it is very slightly (not blow them out of the water).

However, as I stated earlier in this thread I am a buyer and not a seller. As a buyer I perfer SGC. If I was selling, I would probably go with PSA.

CMIZ5290 · #6 06-28-2012, 09:46 PM

David- pre-war vintage cards! It's not even close, especially t206s!

Wayward99 · #7 06-28-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

David- point taken. But, the bottom line is psa graded vintage cards blow sgc graded cards out of the water price wise, (and i have many of each). Can i explain it? Is it a coincidence? Why do all major auction houses prefer psa graded cards versus sgc??

Please forgive me if I am wrong about this - I am admittedly still learning as I collect in the vintage market...but besides the high end T206 cards in the recent REA auction, is it me or did they disproportionately submit vintage cards on behalf of their consignors to SGC? It just seemed to me that besides the 'top top' stuff they leaned heavily to SGC.

Again, this may be just me and/or not an accurate representation of the major auction house market, but they seem to be one of the only ones that discloses who did the submitting (the house or the consignor).

RUSH2112 · #8 06-28-2012, 09:27 PM

All I ever got from my short experience with PSA was misgraded cards and gouged on shipping.

Upon becoming a member of the exclusive PSA club, I also received numerous publications I never asked for or read. I even received double issues of a large T206 coffee table book which cost the company $27.00 each to ship to Canada from California.

I did have to contact SGC via email about a shipping to question Canada and received a quick reply and felt they were willing to accomodate my needs any way they could. Very professional in my opinion.

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