This could be the worst yet

[Leon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

The feds could easily do it if they wanted to, they just dont want to. People have told them about the problem, they are aware of the problem.

there are die hard gucci bag collectors out there, saying the same thing. Why don't the fed's do anything about it? they assume that everyone else is concerned about gucci bags to, because its their thing.

same thing here. vyt most people dont care about autographs or the fact there are a bunch of fakes flying out the doors.

Until the feds want to do something about it, we can only wait.

You are just wrong. I guarantee it. And I do know....and I doubt you do. Take it for what it's worth.

[travrosty]

no way i am wrong.. would have happened long ago if it was on their serious radar. it's not.

For operation bullpen they had to search hard to find an agent with card, autograph and hobby experience. they found one. Ferriera, lucky for them.

He is retired now. They have had over a dozen years and what big takedown have they made in those 12 years? none.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

no way i am wrong.. would have happened long ago if it was on their serious radar. it's not.

For operation bullpen they had to search hard to find an agent with card, autograph and hobby experience. they found one. Ferriera, lucky for them.

He is retired now. They have had over a dozen years and what big takedown have they made in those 12 years? none.

Even when you are 100% wrong you still don't get it. Sort of hard to have an argument when someone can't admit they are wrong even when they are. I have had numerous conversations with the FBI about CC. How many have you had? They do have what is called "priorities" and my guess is that with the weak case that could be made (even if you disagree, at this point you would disagree if I said the sky was up, so not sure it matters) they haven't gone the extra mile. I do think there are probably things higher on their priority list but everything I have stated is correct and most of what you have stated is crap you are just making up.

And btw, it's my understanding that FBI agents don't bring the cases forward. The Agents go to the Federal Prosecutor with information and it is up to them to bring it to a grand jury. So even if an agent wanted to bring charges it's not up to him. The DA might have other things (like terrorists and Bernie Madoffs) they are more worried about. Hard to say for sure...

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Leon

You are just wrong. I guarantee it. And I do know....and I doubt you do. Take it for what it's worth.

Leon is right on the money.

It is a long and frustrating process. It does not mean that things aren't being investigated. They are.

When something finally gets done, it will be a slam dunk and nothing less. If you're not involved, then you have no idea what is going on and that's the way it should be.

[thebigtrain]

As a NY & NJ barred attorney who lurks on this board quite a bit, I think a good case could be made against CC for "willful blindness." A good illustration of this doctrine is when someone hands you a brown paper bag that's stapled shut and says "drive this from NYC to X address in South Philly, and when you get there a man will give you 10,000 cash for a delivery fee."

you can't go to court and as a defense say "well, I didn't know what was in the bag- they told me it was peanuts!" You were willfully blind in that you had to have know (and the law will impute this knowledge to you) that something illegal HAD to be in that bag for you to get 10 K to make an hour's drive and drop it off.

Same for CC- they have to know by now that EVERYTHING from these consignors is fake since it gets 10% or less of what it would really be worth. Hell, look at the dozens of albums signed by all 4 Beatles that bring 250 bucks, which if real could do 50 -75 K at auction. I think there are less than 25 authentic signed (by all 4) beatles albums known to exist in the entire world.

Ditto for all the Josh Gibson autos and Rube Waddel, Mathewson etc.

I guess they never get sued civilly since apparently they give refunds readily to keep the heat off. Plus most of the stuff sold there is probably being buyed to "flip" at mall kiosks and flea markets etc, or on ebay.

I enjoy this site just to look at everyone's neat collections and such, but I'd never get into sports collecting based on what I've seen from reading this site and WhiteBetsy and Hauls of Shame etc. Fraud has literally consumed this hobby, to the point where it seems like any fun or pleasure has been sucked out entirely.