PSA vs SGC...the definitive Debate!!!

vintagetoppsguy · #1 06-28-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

how about botn's sgc60 cobb with a piece of corner hanging out? it's not a crease, but does that count?

Sure, that counts.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ighlight=nippy

I deleted the scans, but you can read the thread and get the idea.

glynparson · #2 06-28-2012, 11:15 AM

and psa does allow wrinkles up to a 6, if a crease its a definite way overgrade.its overgraded as a wrinkle but not shocking to me. just because sgc does not allow wrinkles on 5s it does not mean sgc is not more lenient in some areas. In the past it was centering now it seems to be corners (except high end where they are just as tough but mid grade can have a wide range of wear,particularly sgc 60 cards. I am way more concerned with filed and trimmed cards then i am overgraded unaltered cards and that is where I feel left down the most.

Ps many people also need to realize standards have tightened considerably in the industry since psa's inception in 1992?( i think). Around 2000 i feel standards have jumped to the know sometimes unreasonable, for 8 anyways, standards (thus the survival of many card doctors).

T206Collector · #3 06-28-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

sgc does not allow wrinkles on 5s it does not mean sgc is not more lenient in some areas.

This is really my point. Every since I've been collecting baseball cards -- now close to 30 years -- "EX" was understood to allow somewhat rounded/touched corners, but NEVER creases. That was how I was raised to think of grading and, frankly, value.

Now, it may be that PSA will allow for more creasing in 5s than SGC. And it is certainly true that SGC will allow softer corners on a SGC than PSA will allow on a 5. But, to me, that is a terrific mistake on PSA's part.

As far as scans go, I keep my scans "in the clouds" on Picassa. No hard drive space issues here. And I have close to 100 PSA 5/SGC 60 T206 cards in my collection. I frequently buy them "blind" -- i.e., buying the holder and not the cards (mea culpa) -- and can tell you for dead certain that the SGC 60s are much safer to buy blind than the PSA 5s are, particularly if you don't like creases.

This 100 card example, which has been amassed since April 2012, is EXACTLY THE SAME as my experience collecting PSA 5/SGC 60 now almost 10 years ago.

Now, it may be that PSA grades a higher volume of cards -- but how is that at all relevant when I have been buying both in equal amounts, without regard for whether its PSA or SGC. I buy them both the same.

My "vitriol" for PSA is based on customer service, grading quality, and grading consistency.

I also have no personal knowledge of "cronyism" at SGC. But the "chatter" about cronyism at TPGs is as old as the day is long. So are the anecdotes. Where is the objective evidence? I really have no opinion one way or another on whether it exists (unlike the SGC 60 T206 with a crease, where I have never seen one).

glynparson · #4 06-28-2012, 03:55 PM

T206Collector · #5 06-28-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Keep drinking the Kool Aid Paul

Here's a tip -- if you wouldn't feel comfortable posting it on a thread don't send it to me in a private message. Not sure what's worse -- gossip that's intended just for me, or gossip that's intended for a wider viewing audience.

Now I am sure you were trying to make a point, and just didn't feel comfortable sharing people's names. But the only thing I care about is that SGC 60s don't have wrinkles and too many PSA 5s do. Please save your personal drama about the chronies for someone else who cares. If you want to send me scans of SGC 60s that are messed up, my email line is wide open. Still waiting for that one ...just one...scan.

glynparson · #6 06-29-2012, 02:54 AM

Do say or think whatever you must I am done trying to help.

T206Collector · #7 06-29-2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by glynparson

Do say or think whatever you must I am done trying to help.

Oh, you were "trying to help"? Here I thought we were having an old fashioned disagreement and you were trying to prove you were right, while calling me a "fanboy" and a "fool" along the way.

But, i appreciate your allowing me to have an opinion. In case anyone is keeping track, that's three days now without a single scan of an SGC 60 with a wrinkle or crease.

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